Ken Paxon dodges subpoena, showing GOP's love of law and order

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    Ken Paxton heroically runs from subpoena. Here's a new political ad embracing his bravery.

    By hopping in the back of his wife's truck as she drove him away, Paxton showed he's a firm believer in a Texas woman's right to choose ... the getaway route.

    The thought of Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton fleeing a subpoena server by having his wife, a Republican state senator, whisk him away from the family’s home in a truck is a perfect, albeit unwitting, encapsulation of the modern-day Republican Party’s approach to law and order: Consequences for thee, but not for me.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...orney-general-cruz-hawley-huppke/10442072002/


    Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton fled his home to avoid being served with subpoena, court record says

    In an affidavit, a process server said that the state's top attorney tried to evade him as he attempted to deliver a subpoena

    https://www.texastribune.org/2022/09/26/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-subpoena-abortion-lawsuit/


     
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    Judge rules Texas attorney general does not have to appear at hearing on abortion lawsuit after affidavit alleges he ran from person serving subpoena


    Paxton’s office filed a motion to quash the subpoenas saying they were not proper and had not been effectively served. Paxton refused to engage a person trying to serve him at his home Monday morning, according to the motion. On Tuesday, a Texas judge granted Paxton’s request to quash and seal the subpoena to appear at the hearing.

    “Top executive officials should not be called to testify absent extraordinary circumstances,” according to the motion, obtained by CNN, and claim the “entire reason” he is named as a defendant is because he is a high-ranking government official. The motion also notes that as an individual, Paxton has no information relevant to the plaintiff’s claims.

    On Monday morning, Ernesto Martin Herrera served the subpoenas to Paxton at his home, the affidavit says. Herrera knocked on the front door and a woman opened it, where he shared that he was there to give Paxton important legal documents, the affidavit continues. She said that Paxton was on the phone and that he was in a hurry to leave, so Herrera left his card and went to sit in his car to wait.

    Almost an hour later, a car drove into the home’s garage and Paxton exited the vehicle, the affidavit says.

    “I walked up the driveway approaching Mr. Paxton and called him by his name,” the affidavit says. “As soon as he saw me and heard me call his name out, he turned around and RAN back inside the house through the same door in the garage.”

    Later, his wife, State Senator Angela Paxton, started the truck, according to the affidavit. Several minutes later Ken Paxton ran out the door and into the car, trying to avoid Herrera, the affidavit says. Herrera says that he once again yelled Paxton’s name, saying that he had legal documents, but that Paxton continued towards the truck.

    When Herrera determined Paxton was not going to take the subpoenas from his hand, the affidavit says he yelled to Paxton that he was serving him with legal documents and left it on the ground.

    Paxton left in the truck and left the documents on the ground, Herrera said in the affidavit.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/27/politics/ken-paxton-subpoena-affidavit/index.html
     
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    The guy's a scumbag, it's not surprising at all.
     
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    One example does not make a majority. Pretty basic mathematics.
     
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    Mo Brooks evades being served in lawsuit over Jan. 6 rally and attack

    Wisconsin Republican sues to avoid testifying in Jan. 6 probe
    Wisconsin Assembly Speaker Robin Vos

    The House committee’s subpoena demanded testimony regarding a July phone call the legislator had with Donald Trump in which the former president pressed him to overturn Wisconsin’s 2020 election results.

    Republicans Signal Refusal of Jan. 6 Subpoenas, Setting Up a Showdown
    The decision by the four Republicans, including Representative Kevin McCarthy, the minority leader, had broad implications for the inquiry and for congressional powers.

    Representatives Jim Jordan of Ohio, Scott Perry of Pennsylvania and Andy Biggs of Arizona each sent letters to the committee objecting to the investigation ahead of the depositions scheduled for this week, and Mr. McCarthy, of California, filed a court brief arguing the panel’s subpoenas are illegitimate.



    Georgia prosecutor investigating election interference argues Lindsey Graham's 'extreme' argument to block subpoena 'defies the facts'
    https://www.businessinsider.com/lin...-argument-defies-facts-prosecutor-says-2022-8


    Trump tells 4 former aides to defy Jan. 6 committee's subpoena

    Dan Scavino, former Defense Department official Kash Patel, former chief of staff Mark Meadows, and former White House adviser Steve Bannon.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/07/trump-jan-6-committees-subpoena-515593
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Neither do five examples. Five out of a hundred million or so is a pretty small number. Most would call it insignificant.
     
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    Typical Trump Party behavior, rules for thee but not for me.
     
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    Got it, unless hundreds of thousands defy subpeona's, you will not be convinced *shaking head*

    BTW that was 11 total people, all recent
     
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    A small number does not make it typical of a majority. It is merely cherry picking a small number and trying to imply that is the majority.
     
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    Sep 27, 2018
    Oversight Republicans Block 11 More Subpoenas for a Total of 64 Motions Denied

    “For the last two years, I have implored House Republicans to help us gather the facts about the crisis of corruption in the Trump Administration,” Cummings said. “The waste, fraud, and abuse is plain to see—and the Oversight Committee should be using its authority to fulfill its duty under the Constitution to act as an independent check on the Executive Branch. It is time to actually hold the Trump Administration accountable to the American people.”

    Since Rep. Trey Gowdy assumed his role as Chairman, the Oversight Committee has issued only one subpoena—to a Department of Homeland Security career employee—despite the Trump Administration’s refusal to respond to dozens of requests for documents, including requests from Gowdy himself.

    Gowdy issued 14 subpoenas during his tenure as Chairman of the Benghazi Committee investigating the Obama Administration and then-presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.
    https://oversight.house.gov/news/pr...re-subpoenas-for-a-total-of-64-motions-denied

    June 7, 2019
    Many Republicans said congressional subpoenas were mandatory. Now they suggest they’re optional.

    Some GOP lawmakers have argued Trump administration officials don’t have to comply. It’s a complete reversal from their earlier position.


    This intensifying drumbeat stems in part from the Trump administration’s repeated defiance of congressional subpoenas. At least two of the four subpoenas issued by the House Judiciary Committee in 2019 have been ignored. It is unclear whether or how fully two other subpoenas — to former White House aide Hope Hicks and ex-White House counsel Donald McGahn’s chief of staff Annie Donaldson (the New York Times reported this week Hicks had given the committee only “four documents containing email chains”) — have been complied with.

    But amid this defiance, congressional Republicans have taken a starkly different position toward compliance with said subpoenas, examples of which you can watch in the video above.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e-mandatory-now-they-suggest-theyre-optional/

    Rep Scott Perry (R-Pa) subpoena ignored
    Rep Jim Jordan (R- Oh) subpoena ignored
    Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.) subpoena ignored
    Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) subpoena ignored
    House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) subpoena ignored

    Mark Meadows subpoena ignored
    Stephen Miller subpoena ignored
    Wisconsin Assembly Speaker Robin Vos (R) subpoena ignored
    Dan Scavino, Trump aid subpoena ignored
    Former Defense Department official Kash Patel subpoena ignored
    Stebe Bannon gormer trade aid subpoena ignored
    Sen Lindsey Graham subpoena ignored
    Giuliani Defies House Subpoena
    lawyer John Eastman says he will defy subpoena from January 6 committee.
    Peter Navarro subpoena ignored


    Dec 1, 2021 — House Jan. 6 panel votes to hold ex-DOJ official Jeffrey Clark in contempt for defying subpoena
    Oct 5, 2019 — House Democrats have formally subpoenaed the White House and Vice President subpoena ignored

    147 Republican lawmakers still objected to the election results after the Capitol attack

    Congress has certified President-elect Joe Biden as the winner of the election — but some Republicans still objected.


    Yeah, the GOP party of law and order, lol



     
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    When you get up to a thousand or more. Let me know. Then it will represent around 0.0001%.

    Well maybe you better make that a million or so and then it will at least be 1%.
     
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    That many Repug criminals in Gov't?
     
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    Why don't you just admit you made a dumb statement?

    You picked a small number of republicans who did not respond to a subpoena.

    You don't state why they did not respond to a subpoena.

    From that you conclude that the republicans do not truly believe in law and order.

    You are a long way away from making the case that republicans don't believe in law and order.
     
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    Usually 'law and order voters' is a term meant to refer to people who vote based on a prioritization of being able to expect a degree of safety from violence and theft in their everyday lives, not opposition to process crimes or rigid adherence to bureaucracy... do you have any examples of right wing politicians squatting in peoples yards, stealing cars, mugging people or burning down their businesses? Thats the law and order people actually care about.
     
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    No. But I do have an example of a right wing politician trying to overthrow the elected government of the US. And I have an example of the majority of the Repub House caucus voting to support that effort.
     
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    Still waiting for a court to convict him.
     
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    So you have an example of representatives elected by the people voting to 'overthrow' the elected representative govt... sounds to me like you just have an example of politics...
     
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    The 147 Republicans Who Voted to Overturn Election Results
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/07/us/elections/electoral-college-biden-objectors.html

    When a mob of President Trump’s supporters stormed the Capitol building on Wednesday, they forced an emergency recess in the Congressional proceedings to officially certify the results of the 2020 presidential election. The disruption came shortly after some Republican lawmakers made the first of a planned series of highly unusual objections, based on spurious allegations of widespread voter fraud, to states’ election results. The chambers were separately debating an objection to Arizona’s results when proceedings were halted and the Capitol was locked down.

    When the Senate reconvened at 8 p.m., and the House of Representatives an hour later, the proceedings — including the objection debates — continued, although some lawmakers who had previously planned to vote with the objectors stood down following the occupation of the Capitol. Plans to challenge a number of states after Arizona were scrapped, as well — but one other objection, to Pennsylvania’s results, also advanced to a vote. Here are the eight senators and 139 representatives who voted to sustain one or both objections.
     
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    Thats a really labored way of trying to explain how 'the riots succeeded in shutting down a delay of certification for a 10-day investigation into fraud' which is all that really happened.
     
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    Small number? LOL

    Sure GOP are the current party of law and order


    "Many Republican lawmakers have also somehow forgotten that they opposed impeaching Trump after the Jan. 6 insurrection because they said any Trump-related criminal allegation was a matter for the justice system to decide. The most appropriate way to maintain law and order, some argued, was to punt to the courts"


    GOP slams FBI and Justice Department over Mar-a-Lago search
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...i-gop-doj-garland-wray/10274576002/?gnt-cfr=1


    Trump’s ‘Law and Order’: One More Deceptive Tactic Is Exposed
    The president’s response to the riot at the Capitol underscored the ways he has twisted the phrase “law and order” over the past four years.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/16/us/politics/trump-law-order.html




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    These cops disagree

    More Than 140 Officers Injured In Capitol Riot, Chiefs Testify
    https://www.wci360.com/more-than-140-officers-injured-in-capitol-riot-chiefs-testify/

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    IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR AND A HALF, 60+ LAWSUITS, WHAT FRAUD HAVE THEY FOUIND?
     

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    Me too, the orange man will finally be in his colors

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    Simple, what massive fraud, the only type thart could logically have shown results where Biden beat Trump according to the rights narrative, has been shown in the past nearly 2 years? Should be simple right? Over 60 lawsuits? Trump alone has raised over $250 million to "fight the fraud"

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    That is about one hundred people out of over a hundred million people. You have no case. Get over it.
     

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