Kherson offensive?

It is not a pact; it is a concept, as embodied in the Monroe Doctrine.
You lost.

 

You just conceded.

 

Ukraine Conflict Updates
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, December 7

Click here to read the full report.
Key Takeaways

• Russian President Vladimir Putin is setting conditions for a protracted war of conquest in Ukraine.
• Putin is using Russia’s Human Rights Council to consolidate power while rejecting principles of international human rights law.
• NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg made comments supporting ISW’s previous assessments that an operational pause in the winter of 2022-2023 would favor Russia.
• Russian forces used Shahed-136 drones in Ukraine for the first time in three weeks.
• Russian efforts to pressure Belarus into joining the war in Ukraine may be causing friction in the Belarusian military.
• Russian forces are likely increasing the pace of their counterattacks in eastern Kharkiv and western Luhansk Oblast.
• Russian forces continued offensive operations in the Bakhmut and Avdiivka-Donetsk City areas.
• Russian forces continued defensive operations and the reorientation of their forces in eastern Kherson Oblast.
• Independent Russian media sources indicated that mobilization efforts will continue despite statements from Russian officials to the contrary.
• Russian occupation authorities are likely transforming Mariupol, Donetsk Oblast, into a rear military and logistics base for Russian forces. . . .

Ukrainian forces continued to strike Russian positions and rear areas in Kherson Oblast on December 7. A Ukrainian source reported that Ukrainian shelled Nova Kakhovka and Hopry (near Hola Prystan) in Kherson Oblast.[50] A Russian source claimed that Ukrainian forces struck Hola Prystan with HIMARS rockets.[51] A Russian source also claimed that Russian air defenses repelled Ukrainian drone attacks targeting the Belbek airfield in Sevastopol in Russian-occupied Crimea.[52] . . . .

 

Your confusion continues. Now you back track to "automatic defence of any Western Hemispehere nation by the US". Bullshit. You are well aware any military invasion of a Western Hemisphere nation would trigger an immediate military response from the US. The degree of the response would be dictated by the degree of foreign intervention.

Yes I know you are "confused". Real difficult to grasp.

 

Actually not to stray off topic and despite the supposed confusion of Lil Mike the US military defense umbrella in the specific global zones is clearly marked by the positioning of US military bases. It is not exactly a secret. In fact these military bases provide valuable economic revenue to the host sites. Unlike China or Russia the US pays a large price for these sites including for example in South Korea and Japan having agreed to give them one sided car trade agreements in their favour when it comes to importing and exporting their vehicles and American ones.

As well the US Navy goes around the world saving many lives on open seas in search and rescue missions which cost US taxpayers money.

Countries like mine, Canada, enjoy the benefits of the US military protection umbrella without having to spend on our own armed forces. That is a fact.

Fair is fair. If some of us do not like US foreign influence no one stops us from creating our own independence in other nations. Now some would argue the US controls world finances and keeps certain countries poor and captive. The fact is the world economic systems all interwoven and highlighted by US. European, Indian, Russian and Chinese dominant financial needs which all lend to the captivation of pricing in global markets.

It is far more complex than blaming the US. What the US has done with Russia is to lead sanctions against it to try end the war with Ukraine and be the number one military supplier. Without US military supplies, Ukraine would have been unable to defend itself.

The US did not have to. Its financial benefits from trading with Ukraine were not as much as Western Europe received. It did not have to help anyone in Europe but it chose to do so to continue buffering all world economies from Chinese and Russian negative measures. It also has a humanitarian concern not just an economic one.

Excuse me compare how the US and China operate as colonial powers. Please do so. China sucks the life out of a host nation and provides nothing to the nation's infrastructure. The US version is far different and it leaves businesses behind. They may become corrupted but that is the decision of the citizens in those nations.

Fair is fair.

Who would you prefer entering into business with....the US...China or Russia?

I live in Canada. Our first world status has to do a lot with the fact we decided to depend on the US. No one forced us. Its been to our benefit. We have the longest undefended border. Can the nations on the Russian or Chinese borders or living near them say the same thing?

Americans did not invade us.(well they tried once and we kicked their ass and no they only invade with tourists and those damn Yankees or Phillies fans-but we consider people from Detroit, Buffalo, Green Bay, Vermont, honorary Canadians. Also some people from the Dakotas and Minnesota and Chicago is pretty close to being Canadian except its Polish people eat a lot more than our Polish people-too many damn sausages).

Lil Mike and some others on this forum have an issue with hegemony and how the US engages in it. I do not. The US is blatant and upfront about its financial interests. Its not like it hides them. Its military umbrella is clear to all.

 

That's false.

Sorry you lose.

 

What does that have to do with a "collective defense?"

 

You already conceded.
You lost.

 

Ukraine Conflict Updates
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, December 8

Click here to read the full report.
Key Takeaways

• German Chancellor Olaf Scholz stated that the risk of Russian nuclear escalation is low.
• Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff General Mark Milley stated that fighting may intensify in Ukraine during the winter.
• The Kremlin has likely not abandoned its maximalist goals in Ukraine despite Dmitry Pskov’s comments on Russian territorial objectives.
• The Kremlin’s Western-orientated messaging continues to anger the pro-war milblogger community.
• Russian President Vladimir Putin may be distancing his rhetoric from nationalists’ unrealistic demands for the Russian war in Ukraine.
• A senior Kremlin official admitted that the Kremlin tolerates criticism from the pro-war milblogger community out of a desire to appeal to the wider nationalist community.
• Ukrainian officials stated that Russian forces further militarized the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP).
• Russian forces reinforced positions near Svatove and conducted counterattacks near Kreminna amid continued Ukrainian counteroffensive operations in eastern Ukraine.
• Russian forces continued offensive operations in the Bakhmut and Avdiivka–Donetsk City areas.
• A Russian government official implied that Putin’s word is law when it comes to the military mobilization of Russian citizens.
• Russian occupation officials increased security measures in Russian-occupied territories in Ukraine. . . .

Ukrainian forces continued to target rear areas in southern Ukraine on December 8. The Russian Ministry of Defense claimed that Russian air defenses intercepted Ukrainian MLRS rounds near Tokmak, Zaporizhia Oblast.[54] Ukrainian Head of Berdyansk Victoria Halytsyna reported that multiple unidentified explosions (possibly Ukrainian strikes) occurred at an air base in occupied Berdyansk, but Russian occupation authorities denied the reports of explosions.[55] Ukrainian and Russian sources reported that Russian air defenses activated over Sevastopol overnight, and Sevastopol occupation head Mikhail Razvozhaev later stated that Russian air defenses shot down a UAV.[56] . . . .

 

Your question again makes zero sense.

Now you would have me believe you do not understand what military alliances are? Give it a rest and move on.

 

Imagine a Russia being so clueless as to claim an anti-imperialist declaration is some how "a defensive pact" or "imperialist". Yeah, because saying leave independent countries alone is just so "imperialist". Talk about nonsense.

 

Why does Misha hate America?

 

nope

 

So your argument also is that the Monroe Doctrine is a military alliance?

 

Enough with the Monroe Doctrine. It isn't/wasn't a pact. It is/was a Doctrine.

 

Not according to many in this thread.

 

Yourself included. Why did you call it a pact?

 

No one has made that claim.

 

Your entire claim is based on a false characterization of my view. That has been exposed.
You lost.

 

Ukraine Conflict Updates
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, December 9

Click here to read the full report.
Key Takeaways

• Russian President Vladimir Putin continues to discuss negotiations with Ukraine as a means of separating Ukraine from its Western supporters by portraying Kyiv as unwilling to compromise or even to talk seriously.
• Putin’s positioning in the Russian information space continues to oscillate between supporting the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) and backing the nationalist and pro-war milblogger community.
• An independent open-source investigation by the BBC’s Russia service and independent Russia outlet Mediazona found that members of Russian national republics deploy to Ukraine at disproportionately higher rates than ethnically Russian oblasts, but that ethnic Russians are dying at a rate proportional to their representation in the Russian Federation population, contrary to previous ISW assessments.
• Russian officials strengthened existing legislation to stifle domestic dissent.
• Senior US officials stated that Russia is providing an unprecedented level of military and technical support to Iran in exchange for Iranian-made weapons systems.
• Russian forces established defensive lines near Svatove, and Russian and Ukrainian forces conducted ground attacks near Kreminna.
• Russian forces continued ground attacks near Bakhmut and Avdiivka.
• Russian forces may have established positions on an island west of Kherson City in the Dnipro River.
• Ukrainian forces’ interdiction campaign against Russian military assets and logistics hubs in southern Ukraine has likely degraded Russian forces, their logistics lines, and broader Russian morale.
• Putin doubled down on claims that Russia will not conduct a second wave of mobilization amidst persistent concerns within Russian society.
• Russian occupation authorities continued to strengthen physical, legal, and social control over occupied territories. . . .

Ukrainian forces continued to strike Russian force concentrations in southern Ukraine. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that December 7 Ukrainian strikes against Russian forces near Berdyansk, Tokmak, Melitopol, Enerhodar, Dniprorudne, Polohy, and Vasylivka, Zaporizhia Oblast— all along strategic logistics lines – wounded 240 personnel and destroyed three ammunition depots and 20 pieces of military equipment.[56] A Ukrainian source reported that Ukrainian forces struck Hola Prystan (on the Kherson City-Armiansk highway) and Chaplynka (on the Nova Kakhovka-Armiansk highway), Kherson Oblast, both areas of reported Russian defensive fortifications.[57]

Ukrainian forces’ interdiction campaign against Russian military assets and logistics hubs in southern Ukraine has likely degraded Russian forces, their logistics lines, and broader Russian morale. A Russian milblogger claimed that he spoke to Russian soldiers who have served in Nova Kakhovka, Kherson Oblast, who claim that Ukrainian HIMARS strikes completely destroyed military infrastructure in Nova Kakhovka, including housing, river crossings, and equipment concentrations, and inflicted significant manpower casualties—all of which the milblogger claimed significantly degraded Russian forces, adding that Russian forces have not been able to replenish their losses at an appropriate rate or quality.[58] The milblogger noted that Russian forces in “all major cities” suffered the same results from Ukrainian strikes and expressed anger that Russian military leadership failed to compensate for enough of its shortcomings to win the war.[59] . . . .

Numerous Russian claims of desertion among mobilized personnel continue to challenge Putin’s December 7 claims regarding deserters. A Russian opposition source collected social media evidence composed of photos, videos, and family accounts that indicate that Russian forces are continuing to detain deserters and are holding them in 12 detention centers in occupied Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts.[66] Pskov Oblast officials have asked military prosecutors to investigate the appeals from families and their lawyers regarding the 265 mobilized men detained in basements in occupied Luhansk Oblast.[67] . . . .

 

Enough.

A doctrine could be ANY stated principle of government policy, but is mostly in regards to mainly foreign or military affairs.

A pact could refer to any formal agreement between countries.

A treaty is a formally concluded agreement between countries.

Your attempt to question what the Monroe doctrine was intended for was petty and continues to be petty. Know when to walk away from a non issue.

 

Update from Ukraine | Crimean Airfields are under Fire | Ukraine wants to get Melitopol this winter

 

I did? Please point that out so I can correct the record.

 

But YOU did make the claim that it was...

 

Nope I quoted what you said: