Kim Jong Un warns that North Korea is running out of food

And there is just NO way China or Russia can help North Korea get around this? None at all? Gosh.

So if America has all this power, and the Russians & Chinese are helpless in the face of this, how is it that Russia still occupies Crimea & China still occupies atolls all over the Sth China sea?

 

it means Kim can't punish a certain race of his people for crimes of others overseas

not that some countries can't choose not to do business with other countries

 

I dunno why you question this so much. Its the same with Iran and Cuba who got a heck of a lot of sanctions placed on them by the US, with the idea that if you do trade with them that the US will ban you from trading with their companies.

While Russia isn't being blocked so hard.... top of my head.

 

Sure. Kim can't enslave his people to work in factories etc to produce these items.
Than again. Those people would otherwise made products anyways in order to buy food.
It remains so that due to this ban, not related to nuclear bombs, that the people can't work and run out of food all the time.

 

which is Kim's problem, they need a new leader

 

Kim aint starving at all. Kind of obvious at first glance.
So it's the problem of the people, that they are receiving a collective punishment for what the government does.
It's illegal under international law. The UNSC caused this problem with the ban. It's up to them to solve it.

Otherwise just like before... the deaths will be on them.
Just like before, as in the oil for food program for Iraq. The made such a ban on goods for your average Iraqi's, that it caused those people to drink untreated water. It's hard to figure out, but it probably caused 250,000 children to die. Albright acknowledged a number of 500,000 children and labelled it "worth it".

It probably was worth it to the predominantly white Christian conservative US, since they were brown Muslims kids.
Oh yeah. I'm calling it. It would have been different if so many Jewish kids died.
No doubt about that at all.

 

oh, you're claiming Kim is punishing them, not everyone else

maybe we can use that to remove Kim from power

 

I'm not claiming Kim is punishing them. I'm saying the world has been collectively punishing the North Korean population so hard to they are starving. It's a crime to punish people as a collective.

 

choosing not to do business with Kim is not pushing his people, Kim can change anytime he choose and maybe people will do business with him

if the people are not happy with Kim, they need to get a new leader

 

The ban is not put on Kim specifically at all in most cases. Your random North Korean is simply unable to start a business and sell clothes, furniture, coal, stone etc. on the international market, due to the ban. And that is collective punishment.

They are oppressed by Kim. They can't get a new leader.
Remember.

 

they can get a new leader, they just have to stand up to him

 

Thats foreign countries extorting a civilian population to attack an army, when those countries can't be bothered to do that themselves, and so are collectively punishing the civilian population when they do not.

it's still not legal.

 

happens all the time, bad behavior by a leader can get them cut off from the world

can't force the world to do business with bad leaders

 

Yeah well. People get murdered all the time as well. It doesn't make it right.
And in this case: Collective punishment is still collective punishment.
The UNSC created this famine. It's up to them to solve it, or else it's on them when they don't.

Just like the oil for food program, and the 100,000's of children died, is on the hands of the west.

 

this is not considered collective punishment, that is when say Japan attacks the USA and the USA punishes all Japanese Americans

 

All North Koreans are hit by the ban on selling a piece of furniture on the international market, due to the governments military plans.
So that really is exactly the same as your example.

 

American sanctions against North Korea somehow do not prevent the dictator and his cronies from living like multi millionaires.

 

nope, North Korea is not another countries citizens

 

huh?
The North Korean citizens are banned to sell T-shirts and furniture to make a living.
And since they can't make a living means they can't buy enough food.
It's the fault of the people who put a ban on the citizens of NK.

Kim isn't going to make a shirt in his life. I can tell you that. It's not a ban on him or his government.

 

they need to speak to their leader and tell him to be a better leader or remove him

it's their choice really

 

I already responded they have no such choice in post 62.

 

They banned North Korea making clothes, furniture etc etc.
It's not like the guy is is going to run a sweat shop to make a fortune.
It's just the dumbest thing the UNSC did, with the west at the helm of that idea.

 

He is responsible for his citizens and he is causing the hardship they are facing. The sanctions are on the Kim government in attempt to force him to be less belligerent, less of a threat to SK. S k is doing fine without nukes and they are not starving.

 

So you don't actually have an answer, just 'Yankee bad'. As expected.

 

The sanctions are causing hardship on the people. The famine is the cause of these sanctions. The UNSC with the west at the helm are collectively punishing the entire population that already is being oppressed, while it's government is bathing in luxury.

And I'm not that sure is SK doesn't have nukes. They sure had them at one point in history, because the US stationed them there. In 2004, the IAEA busted SK with undisclosed nuclear activities of enriching uranium of high enough enrichment to make a nuke. Iran has never been close to that as far as the world knows. That is besides it still falls un the US nuclear umbrella, and has very frequent military mock attack exercises very near the North Korean border with the US (I found the last one was in march 2021 and they had one in august 2020 as well)

So you can't really dispute NK wouldn't find it all rather threatening.