King David Never Existed!

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  1. Incorporeal

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    Government records... records from the government... not merchants who have a vested interest in cheating the government on the taxes.
     
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    You do know there was extensive trade between Egypt and Babylon as well as with Yemen, the Indus Valley andEast Africa, don't you?

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  3. Incorporeal

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    So it has been said... but what does that have to do with government records pertaining to crime rates, or geological records reporting of the environment or weather records indicating those conditions? Where are the records reporting such things as you have claimed?
     
  4. MrConservative

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    Um. Actually there is. The Tel Dan Inscription, a tablet with the sayings of "House of David" written in Aramaic dated back to the 8th-9th century. National Geographic did a special on it not too long ago. There is no doubt that he lived. Only question was how did he live? Was his kingdom as vast as it was portrayed in the Bible? Now that is something different.
     
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    Even that is disputed.
     
  6. montra

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    What about his son Solomon? LOL.

    Anyhow, the Bible does not paint an entirely rosy picture of King David. He ended up committing adultery with another man's wife and then having the man killed. God's punishment was to have his kingdom divided up among his sons.
     
  7. Deputy Dawg

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    I do not think that "What about his son Solomon? LOL." is a great argument.
     
  8. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    The Israelites/Hebrews/Jews never had an independent nation. They were always under someone's thumb.
     
  9. montra

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    Who was the father of Solomon then?

    Let me guess, you dont' know.

    Until I have other evidence I'll stick with David.....unless you don't think Solomon had a father. LOL.
     
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    Prove to me that Solomon existed.
     
  11. montra

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    I thought the Temple was named after him.

    Then again, maybe they named their temples after made up kings, who knows.

    Prove to me that you exist.
     
  12. Deputy Dawg

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    Ok so you have no evidence for him and there ends your silly argument.
     
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    I guess you showed me.
     
  14. Deputy Dawg

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    It is obvious I did. When asked to prove that Solomon existed you failed.
     
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    No, not really. It's a historical fact.
     
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    I happen to know that it is disputed having read the various arguments by different scholars so please save the "It's a historical fact" line.
     
  17. MrConservative

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    Well, you're always going to have scholars that disagree each other on certain things, but what matters is what the general consensus of scholars believe. Are you seriously considering that David and Solomon did not exist?
     
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    I have seen no indisputable evidence that either of them existed, have you got any? The Tel Dan Stele has been covered,it is disputed what it says.
     
  19. MrConservative

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    That's just it though. I don't think you're ever going to find any indisputable evidence. Especially with ancient history. I am no historian, but King David and Solomon where mentioned in a history book I read and said nothing about them being fairy tales. If Solomon didn't exist, then what caused the breakup of the kingdom? Assuming it was his kingdom...
     
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    "different scholars" trying to disprove and discredit the BIBLE and Christianity, like yourself and many on here are trying to do.

    That will NEVER happen, though.

    Historical evidence is historical evidence, mr. bow wow!

    Solomon's writings in the Song of Songs or Song of Solomon, and Ecclesiastes.

    Psalms was written by David. Psalms, Song of Solomon, and Ecclesiastes are the Wisdom Literature of the BIBLE.

    Solomon's Temple existed in Jerusalem, Israel, on the Temple Mount.

    Why was the name Solomon given to the Temple as Solomon's Temple, if he did not exist, and if he did not build it?

    Again, ancient Jewish / Hebrew writings suggest that all of the people you have suggested, Moses, JESUS, David, Solomon, did, indeed, exist.

    The ancient Jewish / Hebrew writings are historical writings. Referring to the Old Testament writings as the Law and the Prophets. They are historical. They make up the Old Testament of the BIBLE.

    But you need to disprove ALL of these peoples existance in order to disprove and discredit the BIBLE and Christianity.

    mr. bow wow, you and your attempts are failing, miserably.

    Just like the other post, "Moses Never Existed," Jewish / Hebrew writings say otherwise.

    I have NEVER heard or read anyone deny the existance of Moses, David, and Solomon.

    You are the first, mr. bow wow!

    You're barking up the wrong tree if you think you're going to be able to disprove and discredit Christianity and the BIBLE.

    There have been renowned atheists and agnostics that have tried, even the Resurrection of our LORD, and they came away with MORE evidence for it, than against it.

    Such are Josh McDowell("More Than A Carpenter," "New Evidence That Demands a Verdict"), and Lee Strobel("The Case for Faith," "The Case for Christ," "The Case for a Creator").

    I suggest you also check out Ken Ham from "Answers in Genesis," and Kent Hovin. Christian Apologists.

    Ravi Zacharias is today's best Christian Apologist, defending the Christian FAITH and the BIBLE.
     
  21. Deputy Dawg

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    Many people write many things for religious or political purposes but a real historian is not going to state beyond a doubt that both of them existed. I do not know what book you read but do not always believe what is written in one book,try others and the more the better to get a more balanced view. There are Israeli "historians" writing all sorts of things that are not proven to be true but they are working for a political or religious agenda.
     
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    Oh please go peddle your fantasies elsewhere, I am not interested in your un sourced emotional responses to real history.
     
  23. MrConservative

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    Sorry, but I fail to see the connection. First off, the constellation of Perseus does not match either of the photos. So, what are you trying to say exactly? It wasn't very uncommon back in those days to cut of the head of your enemies. Many cultures did it.
     
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    Who's the one NOT accepting "real" history, here?!

    You reject anything and everything if it pertains to and proves the BIBLE and Christianity.

    You and those like you will do and say anything to try to discredit the BIBLE, and Christianity.

    You have been found in lies, mr. bow wow.

    What do you have to say for yourself?!

    NO doggie biscuits for you!

    And you'll sleep outside on the porch.

    And, besides, I have sourced the history.
     
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    You obviously, that has been proven beyond a doubt.
     

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