Kremlin disinformation trolls flood social media

Given the popularity of this particular internet forum the following article tends to explain whats been going on around here regarding the pro Russian anti Ukrainian avalanche that has been suspiciously prevalent with certain posters .....and you know who you are

The Kremlin, which has waged a massive disinformation campaign aimed at legitimizing Russia's annexation of Crimea and support for separatists in eastern Ukraine, has employed so-called "troll armies" to invade online territories armed with pro-Moscow rhetoric.

A June articleby Max Seddon of BuzzFeed reported the Kremlin was spending millions of dollars to pay English-speaking Russians to promote President Vladimir Putin and his policies in U.S. media like Fox News broadcasting and The Huffington Post and Politico news sites. Trolls are reportedly expected to manage multiple fake accounts and post on news articles 50 times a day, often with sentiments as simplistic as "Putin makes Obama look stupid and weak!"

In order to promote its narrative, the Kremlin has adopted a two-fisted strategy, unleashing its troll armies even as it tightens Internet restrictions at home. On August 1, Russia enacted controversial new legislation aimed at muzzling social media, the last bastion of the country's embattled opposition and a free flow of information about the war in Ukraine.

Anton Nosik, a popular Russian blogger and programmer who is sometimes referred to as the "father of the Russian Internet," says the Kremlin is falling back on a time-honored strategy in its propaganda war on Ukraine. But this time, he says, the stakes are higher than ever before. (BuzzFeed reports that at least one trolling company—Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg—is expected to spend more than $10 million in 2014 alone.)

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/the-kremlins-troll-army/375932/

 

Vladimir Putin uses an invisible army of social media propagandists, in addition to conventional media, to support his narrative of an out-of-control Ukraine, to spread fabrications of atrocities by Ukrainian extremists, and to unleash destabilizing rumors on east Ukraine. If Ukraine unmasks the myths of Russia’s disinformation war, Putin’s target audiences, at home and abroad, must eventually reject his whole narrative

Putin’s Orders of Service reward his visible army of TV, print and on-line journalists. Left out are the equally important invisible cogs of his propaganda machine; namely, the social networkers, rumor-mongerers, and the armies of trolls, poised to attack any unfavorable media. This invisible, clandestine army, toiling away in obscurity, is an indispensable weapon in peddling the Russian narrative of “neo-Nazi extremists” backed by the U. S. state department and NATO, who usurped control from the “democratically-elected” Ukrainian president. We know Putin’s visible media and can evaluate it as such. We cannot say the same for Putin’s social media warriors, who operate behind a veil of secrecy, anonymity, and assumed identities.

ANY OF THIS SOUND FAMILIAR TO ANYONE POSTING HERE ?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrod...al-media-trolling-and-faked-ukrainian-crimes/

 

Thing is....Putin does not realise that the people in the U.S. believe morons like that.

AboveAlpha

 

The one thing I can't stand. A poster posting something not because they believe it, but because they're being paid to believe it.

 

I clocked one on this forum that was so blatant it was laughable . This guy claimed to be a New Zealander but had never actually posted on anything other than Ukraine in over 300 odd posts . His grammar and English were terrible too. Needless to say he joined in April just as things were kicking off in Ukraine !

 

Putin makes Obama look stupid and weak!

 

Not so much paid to believe it as paid to peddle it. Given the scale of this disinformation campaign I have very serious concerns for the future of Ukraine. Theres a long term strategic plan being played out by Moscow here and this is clearly a very important part of it.

 

True. The only thing to do is to stop them through good old fashion debating.

 

Well if the Russians don't liberate the hell out of the place first that is

 

I don't know. I don't get the feeling that that's their ultimate goal. If it was why didn't Russia invade Donabas like they did Crimea? It seems to me that Russia is just doing it's age old tactic of trying to get warm water ports.

 

I should have probably waited a bit longer for all of you here to identify yourselves. It's a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. Some of you post shameless propaganda here. I guess you've been poorly trained. You tick all the boxes.

Yes, There Are Paid Government Trolls On Social Media, Blogs, Forums And Websites Michael Snyder

Activist Post
http://www.activistpost.com/2014/02/yes-there-are-paid-government-trolls-on.html

PS
I am also interested in being paid for my posts. PM me offers. Thank you.

 

No they want re aquisition of the Donbass industrial area which had been so important for them during Soviet times. Of course if they do this it will heavily impact upon the economic wealth and integrity of the rest of the Ukraine making the chances of it all falling into their hands so much greater. The Ukrainians know this too and know this potential scenario is a very real one. The omens aren't good

 

You're right. This is a serious problem. We can't ignore this fact that the governments of the world want people to believe in them, not through convincing people through smart policies, but through shills on the internet. It's lazy. It's sad. It can't be allowed. That's why we have to keep debating them, to show them their wrong.

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Ugh, I really need to keep better informed on these issues.

 

This poster is a good example how people with the agenda try to twist the reality. Let's compare his nonsensical posts with the reality on the ground. Just read through it, you don't have to be particularly intelligent to understand what is really going on in that part of the world.

Company In Which Joe Biden's Son Is Director Prepares To Drill Shale Gas In East Ukraine

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...irector-prepares-drill-shale-gas-east-ukraine

 

And what agenda might that be then ?

What nonsensical posts ?

What part of the world would that be then ? My part of the world is Scotland

And why would you think I would care about any of this, I'm not American nor am I linked to any fossil fuel concern whatsoever ?

Your whole post is just a lame attempt at smearing frankly

 

More on the paid Russian troll army here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CussBbmJHzI

 

Very funny. Especially funny to read about an Israeli citizen Anton Nosik. Anton Nosik - addict with years of experience. Prefers "ketamine".
In glasses and a Jewish cap of - Anton Nosik. He Is resembling a father of Russian Internet? Very funny.



Max Seddon of BuzzFeed wrote propaganda idiotic article. Very funny for those who have a brain.

 

troll farm Give me the address please , if there well pay, I will be the troll

For various reasons, Russians the biggest separate nation on the earth... but the majority them very much love the Homeland. And when there is a trouble to them or their relatives to the house, Russians unite to stop the enemy or to reject pressure of the enemy. Where they wouldn't be. It you can call the Russian jihad against the evil. Therefore Russians can't be won. And the trouble come from USA by hands of Ukrainians. They in the country had a democracy, let they ''lived in poverty'' but they had already a democracy! And now official representatives of the USA declare without hesitating for the whole world - we helped Ukrainians to do democracy. Exactly it mean they - helped to make nationalism. And not just nationalism but excessive . And as many know that the excessive nationalism is very dangerous. Also not long ago the Nobel Peace Prize laureate of Dalai Lama told about it that that in the conditions of world globalization the excessive nationalism does only harm (it about Ukraine for the German magazine Deutsche Welle)
To the majority of inhabitants of the West doesn't come even to mind that it so. That America under the pretext of democracy establishes the influence - control in these countries. And if someone thinks that yes it is like that, but in it there is nothing bad. As thought and we are citizens been born in the USSR. We trusted in bright future for all mankind. That will be no rich, no poor people. (now we see everywhere in all world - rich become richer, poor is poorer - even in USA .My opinion - rich have to be, but too rich not - as the Oligarch)
Now many trust in bright future of the American democracy. I don't say that the American democracy bad, even on the contrary is pleasant to me. Only to impose this democracy to the USA - moving ahead (submitting) worldwide it isn't necessary. Many people don't want that the USA bore to them democracy and then operated their country... They will make democracy themselves on this sample, even maybe it is better...
And if the USA now doesn't stop, it is waited by a fate of the USSR, can with more and worst consequences. As all understand if America fails, from it will suffer a set of the countries (imho. self-sufficient as Russia at the beginning too, and such as Saudi Arabia for example, life will be as now in Afghanistan)
Anyway to the real patriots to America who really thinks of the good future to America. It is necessary to stop all these ''Spectacle - democracies'' before to late.

 

What I personally find very interesting is that most people that post on this forum are extremely opinionated. They post their views, then someone else post the opposite, they try to dig up some facts that support their position but in the end no compromise is reached. I mean seriously, what's the point? Why waste your time? It almost always results in name calling, accusations of people being paid trolls or whatever. Just blows my mind.

 

There is a lot of disinformation being produced out there. Mainly by the US MSM and the gullible buy it hook, line a sinker.
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The New York Times Dishes More Ukraine Propaganda
Monday, 07 July 2014 10:41 By Robert Parry, Consortium News | Report


As you read or watch the mainstream U.S. media’s accounts of the Ukrainian government’s military offensive against ethnic Russians in East Ukraine, it’s worth remembering that these MSM outlets have been feeding Americans a highly biased narrative of the crisis non-stop from the beginning.

For instance, New York Times correspondent David M. Herszenhorn included in a largely celebratory account of the Ukrainian blitzkrieg that overwhelmed ethnic Russian positions in the town of Slovyansk on Saturday this summary of the conflict’s background:

“The separatist rebellion is the latest, bloodiest chapter in a crisis that began in November after Viktor F. Yanukovych, then Ukraine’s president, rejected a trade accord he had promised to sign with the European Union in favor of closer ties with Russia. Protesters took to the streets of Kiev, eventually driving Mr. Yanukovych from office. Within a week, Russia invaded Crimea, then annexed the peninsula.”

Herszenhorn, like nearly all his MSM colleagues, simply can’t find it within himself to display the journalistic integrity needed to present an evenhanded and unbiased explication of how this crisis unfolded. Instead, it’s all about blaming Ukraine’s elected President Yanukovych and Russian President Vladimir Putin for everything.

Always absent is the fact that the EU’s trade accord came with a draconian International Monetary Fund austerity plan attached, a prescription to inflict even more pain on the people of Ukraine who have suffered under a post-Soviet economic system dominated by a handful of corrupt oligarchs. The IMF plan would have simply hit the average Ukrainian even harder — with elimination of heating subsidies and devaluation of their currency – while the Ukrainian oligarchs and their Western financial backers would have escaped the pain, as usual. In rejecting the IMF scheme, Yanukovych opted for a more generous $15 billion loan deal from Moscow.

Blind to the Neo-Nazis

Herszenhorn’s narrative also excludes the key role of neo-Nazi militias that were organized in 100-man units to serve as the tip of the spear in the Feb. 22 coup that drove Yanukovych and his government from power. In recognition of their key role in the coup, the neo-Nazis were awarded several ministries in the new government, including the office of national security.

Then, there is the cherished MSM tale of the Russian “invasion” of Crimea, which – unlike every other “invasion” in history – did not involve military forces crossing an international border. Russian troops were already stationed in Crimea under an agreement with Ukraine’s government. And, the impetus for Crimea’s secession from Ukraine and rejoining Russia came from the local government and the Crimean people, not from Russian military force. But repetition of the words “invasion” and “annexation” is needed to elicit the desired revulsion from the American people.

It’s also never noted that after the Feb. 22 coup, the new regime dutifully approved the harsh IMF austerity plan that even Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk – the new leader hand-picked by U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland – acknowledged was “very unpopular, very difficult, very tough.”

All in all, the Ukraine case has been a curious example of U.S.–backed “democracy promotion” – overthrowing a democratically elected leader so a coup regime could impose a “very unpopular” austerity plan on an already suffering population. (For details, see Consortiumnews.com’s “Ukrainians Get IMF’s Bitter Medicine.”)

Among the Worst

The Times’ Herszenhorn has been among the most biased of a long list of biased MSM correspondents who have enforced the false narrative about Ukraine. Indeed, the oppressive “group think” – blending State Department propaganda with its amen chorus of the MSM – has made formulating any rational policy toward Russia and Ukraine politically impossible in Official Washington.

It seems that the safe career play is always to go for the most extreme examples of Russian perfidy. For instance, in mid-April, the Times published a front-page story by Herszenhorn excoriating Russian Prime Minister Dmitri Medvedev for engaging in clumsy propaganda.

In the article entitled “Russia Is Quick To Bend Truth About Ukraine,” Herszenhorn mocked Medvedev for making a Facebook posting that “was bleak and full of dread,” including noting that “blood has been spilled in Ukraine again” and adding that “the threat of civil war looms.”

The Times article continued, “He [Medvedev] pleaded with Ukrainians to decide their own future ‘without usurpers, nationalists and bandits, without tanks or armored vehicles – and without secret visits by the C.I.A. director.’ And so began another day of bluster and hyperbole, of the misinformation, exaggerations, conspiracy theories, overheated rhetoric and, occasionally, outright lies about the political crisis in Ukraine that have emanated from the highest echelons of the Kremlin and reverberated on state-controlled Russian television, hour after hour, day after day, week after week.”

This argumentative “news” story spilled from the front page to the top half of an inside page, but Herszenhorn never managed to mention that there was nothing false in what Medvedev wrote. Indeed, as the bloodshed has grown worse and a civil war has become obvious, you might say Medvedev was tragically prescient.

It was also the much-maligned Russian press that first reported the secret visit of CIA Director John Brennan to Kiev. Though the White House later confirmed that report, Herszenhorn cited Medvedev’s reference to it in the context of “misinformation” and “conspiracy theories.” Nowhere in the long article did the Times inform its readers that, yes, the CIA director did make a secret visit to Ukraine.

Now, as the Kiev regime celebrates its bloody conquest of the eastern Ukrainian city of Slovyansk, it might be advisable for Americans who don’t want to continue being deceived by U.S. government/media propaganda to recognize – and reject – these one-sided and false narratives. (For more details, see Consortiumnews.com’s “Ukraine, Though the US ‘Looking Glass’” or The Nation’s “The Silence of America’s Hawks About Kiev’s Atrocities.”)
This piece was reprinted by Truthout with permission or license. It may not be reproduced in any form without permission or license from the source."

 

Now, disinformation is hard to do, because of Internet, forums and easily spread news from the site. Do not worry about trolls, just debate and follow the facts. Our corporate media is spewing lies for decades, but we still can sort out what to believe. I do not watch any of those USA channels for news at all.

 

No, I think Russians want all of Ukraine, possibly with the exception of Lvov with some Carpathian territories. This is not like in Israel/Palestine war, no depopulation and displacements are needed. Just referendums, the democratic way, which is unacceptable for the Maidans and their Poroshenko man. This is what western democracies overlooked. They support neo fascist nationalist fraction from Lvov, not Ukraine or democratic principles in general. This is all "geopolitics" - the bloody business.

 

check out my previous Threads on the same subject , i feel sorry for trolls here, 100 posts a day, they have no time for their favorite routine- 5 hours of she-male porno , and 10 hours of the computer games

 

How dare you denigrate Dear Leader, he will be my President for his life at least, and after he's dead we will put him in a tomb that everyone can view!


How many terms has Putin served now? Wow......

 

Flogger isn't really up on who exactly is trying to take eastern Ukraine or he prefers to remain blind. Putin told the separatists to not referendum a vote on separation but to try to stay united with Ukraine. Putin doesn't want it especially since the Naxzis have bombed the crap out of any city there that manufactures anything. This is why the US wants it.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...irector-prepares-drill-shale-gas-east-ukraine
"Recall what we said earlier today: the proxy Ukraine war just like that in Syria preceding it, "is all about energy."

Recall also the following chart showing Ukraine's shale gas deposits, keeping in mind that the Dnieper-Donets basin which lies in the hotly contested eastern part of the nation and where as everyone knows by now a bloody civil war is raging, is the major oil and gas producing region of Ukraine accounting for approximately 90 per cent of Ukrainian production and according to EIA may have 42 tcf of shale gas resources technically recoverable from 197 tcf of risked shale gas in place.





Finally, recall our story from May that Joe Biden's son, Hunter, just joined the board of the largest Ukraine gas producer Burisma Holdings. From the press release:


R. Hunter Biden will be in charge of the Holdings’ legal unit and will provide support for the Company among international organizations. On his new appointment, he commented: “Burisma’s track record of innovations and industry leadership in the field of natural gas means that it can be a strong driver of a strong economy in Ukraine. As a new member of the Board, I believe that my assistance in consulting the Company on matters of transparency, corporate governance and responsibility, international expansion and other priorities will contribute to the economy and benefit the people of Ukraine.”



R. Hunter Biden is also a well-known public figure. He is chairman of the Board of the World Food Programme U.S.A., together with the world’s largest humanitarian organization, the United Nations World Food Programme. In this capacity he offers assistance to the poor in developing countries, fighting hunger and poverty, and helping to provide food and education to 300 million malnourished children around the world.



Company Background:



Burisma Holdings is a privately owned oil and gas company with assets in Ukraine and operating in the energy market since 2002. To date, the company holds a portfolio with permits to develop fields in the Dnieper-Donets, the Carpathian and the Azov-Kuban basins. In 2013, the daily gas production grew steadily and at year-end amounted to 11.6 thousand BOE (barrels of oil equivalent – incl. gas, condensate and crude oil), or 1.8 million m3 of natural gas. The company sells these volumes in the domestic market through traders, as well as directly to final consumers.

Now put it all together and what happens next should be rather clear.

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Still confused? It's very simple, really.

In a nutshell Ukraine (or rather its puppetmasters) has decided to let no crisis (staged or otherwise) or rather civil war, go to waste, and while the fighting rages all around, Ukrainian troopers are helping to install shale gas production equipment near the east Ukrainian town of Slavyansk, which was bombed and shelled for the three preceding months, according to local residents cited by Itar Tass. The reason for the scramble? Under peacetime, the process was expected to take many years, during which Europe would be under the energy dictatorship of Putin. But throw in some civil war and few will notice let alone care that a process which was expected to take nearly a decade if not longer while dealing with broad popular objections to fracking, may instead be completed in months!


“Civilians protected by Ukrainian army are getting ready to install drilling rigs. More equipment is being brought in,” they said, adding that the military are encircling the future extraction area.



The people of Slavyansk, which is located in the heart of the Yzovka shale gas field, staged numerous protest actions in the past against its development. They even wanted to call in a referendum on that subject. Environmentalists are particularly concerned with the consequences of hydrofracing, a method used for shale gas extraction, because it implies the use of extremely toxic chemical agents which can poison not only subsoil waters but also the atmosphere. Experts claim that not a single country in the world has invented a method of utilization of harmful toxic agents in the process of development of shale gas deposits.

Countries like the Czech Republic, the Netherlands and France have given up plans to develop shale gas deposits in their territories.

Not only them but also all-important Germany, which two weeks ago announced it would halt shale-gas drilling for the next seven years over groundwater pollution concerns.

Which clearly makes Ukraine, potentially the last place with massive shale gas deposits and no drilling ban, quite valuable to those who want to develop a major source of shale gas, one which reduces Europe's reliance on Russian gas even more, yet one whose future depends on one simple question: who controls East Ukraine?

Because what better way to accelerate "next steps" than to start drilling for gas in the middle of the Donetsk republic as a civil war is waging in all directions, and where public mood has shifted decidedly against the local "separatists" in the aftermath of the MH-17 tragedy.

The punchline: who will develop the gas field in conjunction with Shell (jointly owned by the Netherlands and the UK: the two countries that loathe Putin the most in the aftermath of the MH-17 disaster) which in May 2012 announced a tender for the right to develop the Yuzovka shale gas deposit?


Burisma, Ukraine’s oil and gas production holdings, also has the right to develop the shale gas fields in the Dnieper-Donetsk basin of Eastern Ukraine. The same Burisma where R. Hunter Biden, Joseph's son, was appointed a director two months ago.

Q.E.D.