Kyle Rittenhouse sobbing shows what's wrong with America

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  1. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    If you shot first, would that negate that right?
     
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  2. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    1: Kyle was not an "outside agitator". Facts prove that. 1: He works in Kenosha. 2: Has family in Kenosha, including his dad.
    2: Plenty of people in Kenosha that night didn't live in Kenosha.
    3: The judge does not decide if he "skates". The jury decides if he's guilty or innocent.
    4: If protecting businesses from being burned and looted is a "right wing bullshit" then consider me "right wing".
    5: It is obvious that either you haven't looked at the facts of this case or you have but don't care about the facts, you only care about your agenda and want those that dare protect themselves and others against your agenda imprisoned.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Everybody who has accuses Kyle of being an "outside agitator" or saying "he's not from Kenosha", or "that's not his community, or "he doesn't even live in that state" refuses to answer the simple question-

    "How big is your community?"

    I think I know why.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    No! If I was certain someone was going to kill me I would definitely fire first. Allowing someone to kill you is the exact opposite of self defense.
     
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  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    But the people administering that "prize" should be policemen. Unless you're under VERY special circumstances citizens simply don't have that right. Like I said, riots don't mean it's open season on people in the area. I don't care what lots of the conservatives on this board seem to think
     
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    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol...personally, I think of the whole world as my community and hope that someday most of us will too.
    But your dodge skirts the essential problem- what was this outsider doing there, armed and drunk on rightwing paranoia?
    Do you want a country overrun with idiot vigilantes nursing their own grudges?
    Secessionists and other paranoid extremists who want to tear our country apart might like this as a prelude to outright civil war, but most Americans don't.
     
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    uh NO. you have been purposefully ignoring the right that Americans have to defend themselves and the police are under NO obligation to protect you as per the supreme court. Why are you trying to ignore what the law clearly states? What's the point of consistently making things up when you've been shown what the law states?
     
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    i'm not convinced, without evidence, that these were not "proud boys" stirring racial tension. or worse.
     
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    Bad analogy

    If you deliberately attack that gun toting citizen he may well say it is self defense and be correct.

    That is the situation with rittenhouse. He never shot any one because he thought they were a criminal, he was attacked
     
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    Pretty much like BLM and Antifa? Cops didn’t do much about that, did they.
     
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    If Kyle, like yourself, considers the whole world his community, then how is he an "outsider" in the next town over?

    If you were in Kenosha that night, Mister World Community, would you have been an outsider?
     
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    So I take it you know very little about this.
     
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    If I can remember to do so.
     
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    Who says he was attacked? Him?
     
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    Nor am I.
     
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    I don't know about Rosenbaum or Huber, but I do know that Gaige admitted on the witness stand to being associated with The Revolution. An antifa group. Note: He refused to say that he was a part of them. But did admit to speaking at a couple of their rallies.

    As for Rosenbaum or Huber, there is no evidence in either direction. Pretty sure that someone, somewhere, would have noted if they were a part of any group (left or right). Especially in trial as that would speak to their character, just like it was brought up with Gaige.
     
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    That is generally what happens in a self defense case yes. But there is also video evidence supporting the fact that he was attacked.

    Rosenbaum got close enough to attempt to grab the barrel of Kyle's gun. That evidence is shown by stippling. If you don't know what that is it is gun powder/burn marks from the gun left on whatever was close enough (generally with in 4 ft) to get sprayed with it. Half of Rosenbaum's hand had stippling while the other half did not. That shows that part of his hand was past the muzzle. Video evidence shows Rosenbaum charging at Kyle at full speed. Kyle put 3 rounds into him and 1 grazed his head.

    Jumpkick Man is shown in video to have kicked Kyle's face. Kyle shot twice at him, missing both times.

    Huber is shown in video to have hit Kyle with his skateboard and trying to grab Kyle's gun away from him. All before Kyle shot him. Kyle shot him once in the chest.

    Gaige is shown in video to have pointed his gun at Kyle, and Gaige admitted that is what happened on the witness stand. It was while Gaige was pointing his gun at Kyle that Kyle shot him in the gun arm.

    All of the above has been shown in court with videos and witness testimony.
     
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    Several witnesses and all of the video
     
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