Lawmaker wants to strip benefits from veterans involved in January’s attack on Congress

Lawmaker wants to strip benefits from veterans involved in January’s attack on Congress

Those veterans involved served their country and are entitled to their compensation (pension, disability, etc.). I feel that this is governmental overreach.

What do you think?

 

Democratic stupidity and underhandedness knows no bounds. Why should this be any different?

 

Should people that commit treason against the state or nation receive taxpayer funds for the rest of their lives? Prior to the insurrection I guarantee you would have quickly answered hell no. Strange how current events so quickly shape narratives

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." -Alex Hamilton

 

How many actually 'attacked' anybody or even damaged property or made any threats? I don't know.

I don't think congress is that special that they get to impart special punishments because they felt frightened. There are real Americans dying and hurting everyday.

They can work with existing law and stop acting like pansy nobles in pink titles.

 

Coming from the party that stumbles over themselves to give citizenship and free money to every criminal that crawls over the border that's a sick ****ing joke.

 

Yet you still cannot answer the question. Do some self reflection and see if the events of Jan 6th made answering this question difficult for you.

Realization is the first step

 

Being there was no "insurrection" as the *******s continue to call it, no.

 

It fits the definition, maybe you have a different one — what is your definition of insurrection?

I’ll go first:
in·sur·rec·tion
/ˌinsəˈrekSH(ə)n/

noun

1. a violent uprising against an authority or government.

Do you disagree that the event was violent
Do you disagree that it was against the government

 

Sweet.

 

Actually military members can already have their pensions taken away for the conviction of certain felonies, so if these guys are convicted, this will happen anyway, assuming the charges are "treason" and "insurrection."

 

Assault and Battery are felonies and I'm pretty sure everyone involved committed at least that so to your point this will happen anyway. So what is this, and what has our government been doing for the past 3 months? Grandstanding, it's been grandstanding to the lowest possible pigeon and those pigeons(same ones who believe the narrative of 'Trump's racism') gobble it up.

Let's be thankful that it would appear that's all they hope to accomplish using January 6th.

 

If they hate the government so much , to the point of trying to overthrow it, if they commit crimes against the government why should they receive any benefits?
Gee, gosh, wouldn't they feel really like two-faced hypocrites if they received these government benefits??

 

For those who actually physically assaulted anyone INSIDE the capital, I’m not against it. I think it should extend to ANY Govt official who is convicted of a crime. Why should tax payers for example, pay for a Senator’s pension who’s arrested for tax evasion or fraud?

Plenty of those on that day simply walked through a building and took selfies. Didn’t attack anyone. Didn’t hurt anyone. Didn’t damage anything. No different than those women who busted through barriers and were accosting congressmen INSIDE the capital building during Kavanaugh’s “trial”. They could have been armed. They were inches away from taking a knife out and stabbing govt officials. Coulda, shoulda, woulda!!!! Guess since they were Leftist females, they’re not “scary” enough?

Anyone they catch and have evidence of violent assault or breaking and entering, should be prosecuted fully and fairly. Guess they all should have been smarter like BLM and ANTIFA and wore masks so they could rampage, burn and steal then slink away back into their day jobs at Google or teaching our kids or a writer at MSNBC? Hey, they had masks. They could be anyone right?

 

The vast and i mean vast majority of the people protested peacefully...

 

While I think the 'looky loos' that day made the situation far more difficult for the capitol police because sheer volume, I agree that they should not see punishment if they only walked peacefully. But we aren't talking about those people. The FBI aren't searching for those people. They are very much targeting those who attacked and caused damage. And for those people - if/when found guilty - should not receive tax payers dollars to support them.

 

Forum rules preclude me from using the appropriate words to describe anyone who proposes or endorses laws to take VA healthcare and disability benefits from Vets who have served their country. If you take their benefits, are you going to give them back their missing limbs, eyesight, hearing, mental health, etc. that they have sacrificed for their country.

Liberals may want Ex Post Facto Laws, but such laws violate the US Constitution.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 3.
No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

 

This is such an overblown narrative. A lot of the charged individuals have made that claim in their defense, but have been found on video to have done otherwise.

Out of the hundreds who walked in I doubt more than a handful weren't involved in the violence getting in.

 

Capitol and Metro Police lost eyes, fingers, and lives. They will suffer PTSD and TBI's from these traitors.

Sorry, but these idiots bit the hand that feeds that day. If they want any chance of keeping benefits they should turn themselves and all their fellow traitors in.

 

I have noticed for years, and in particular lately, that liberals have little or no concern for law enforcement who the left often calls "pigs", etc. The left has been complicit for years in the attack and murder of police. Now all of a sudden for this one incident the left claims to have concern for law enforcement?

I notice you ignored my point regarding the Constitution and ex post facto laws. No need to let a pesky thing like the Constitution get in the way of the liberal agenda. Eh what?

 

Liberals are concerned far more than the Right has been of late. I see nothing that would say that liberals are "complicit" in the "attack and murder" of police. It was the right who attacked police by the hundreds on 1/6.

As for your ex post facto argument, we are talking about benefits being removed, not about making a prior act illegal. As it is, this legislation may be redundant as those felons will likely (hopefully) lose benefits.

 

If we're going to go down this road, then I think we should take away Welfare benefits from the blm and antifa rioters.

 

Happens all the time. :shrug: What do you think happens when someone is dishonorable discharged? And while I am in no way sure I think a person can be retro-actively dishonorably discharged. I feel for the family of such people as many of them depend on those benefits.

 

By definition, some laws are designed solely for crimes against the government (ie. insurrection). Another that comes to mind is the penalty for killing a law enforcement officer. So, while I agree that Congress shouldn't have the right to impart special punishments, it is clear there are rules and punishments specifically to address harm and attempted harm against the government.

 

I am conflicted about this because (1) they did their service and earned their pensions/disability/etc. and (2) what will happen if they are suddenly stripped of the only income they have? Most would probably end up homeless or dependent on some other type of governmental assistance.

 

Hopefully they'll be in jail where they belong ( being taken care of by the government they hate )....YUP, they should pay a price for insurrection/treason...



They did a big DIS-service to their country and deserve the consequences.....