Leftie Shutdown Smear and Manipulation & I find my TEA Sentiments Waxing again

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There was a time a few years ago, that I held a considerable TEA Party Sentiments and interest.

But watching them bungle in political naive et ta, I found myself turning away from the actual Party, though I loved their zeal and goals, and supporting Republicans, as the only viable alternative to defeat the new Democrat Radical Ethnocentric Left.

But watching the cynical manipulation of the Government shutdown by the Libs, I find that I am more embarrassed than ever of my own Liberal Past, but not trusting of the “old-guard” Republicans either.

Surprisingly, even to myself, the more the Left screeches, sneers, misrepresents and blames the TEA Party,...
the more I find the TEA Party the only modest glimmer of hope for America.

My TEA Sentiments are Waxing again, largely due to the outrageous behavior of the Far Left, but also because of the apparently cynical willingness to “Negotiate” by the Republican “Old-Guard” into:

* accepting middle class fiscal disaster of ObamaCare,
* ever increasing deficits,
* an out-of-control Imperial Presidency,
* the abandonment of Legislative Due Process,
* increasing racial preferences,
* increasing income inequality,
* and trans-generational wealth redistribution theft.



And Apparently all it took to win the “Old-Guards” betrayal of the American Middle Class, is/was:

* enough Quantitative Easing,
* a long series of too-big-to-fail bail-outs at the common citizen’s expense,
* Cronnie Corp Government Contract Cloak-Room Deals
* and looking the other way to fast track foreclosures, ...
* which brought the Dow Jones back to pre-2008 collapse break even,
* even as the wealthy got richer, and the middle class lost their homes.


As long as the wealthy get their pound, the “Old-Guard” will raise their cups, and quietly join the far-left in its abuses and usage of the middle class.

God Knows we cannot trust the Left within reach of your wallet, in control of your personal data, or in command of the classrooms, police, courts and IRS...

... but it is looking like we cannot trust a majority of entrenched "Old-Guard" Republicans either.



If not for the possibilities and potential of the TEA Party, what hope have the American Middle class?

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It came to nothing so far as I know [and I can't recall their organization's name] but a couple of years ago moderates of both political sides came together to try and form a new movement in this nation wherein reason and facts trumped party politics and ideological manias. So there remain people who are still committed to trying to establish safe middle ground in this nation.

 

Two schools of thought on a very basic level:

“Something is better than nothing … Especially if I don't have to pay for it.”
“Noting is better that just anything … Especially if I have to pay for it.”

It doesn't have to be politics ... It can be common sense.

But What the Hell Baby … It's Game Day!
LSU Tigers vs Mississippi State Bulldogs (7:00 pm ET at MS or ESPN) ... And the Tea Party vs Political Establishment (Here all week ... Maybe next week or longer)

 

I believe the term you're looking for is "democrat".

 

No, I said moderates; people pushed away by the leadership and power brokers of both parties. Just as the Republican Party tends to be run by conservatives nowadays the Democratic Party long ago fell into the hands of hard left liberals.

 

Only an intellectual ideologue would think that the term you're looking for is that of either major party.

 

Yeah, the Democratic Party. It has been dragged so far right over the years (Clinton was an accomplice) that it just LOOKS left by comparison to the Groverites. It's a mirage.

 

No, not really.

 

You have a loose grasp on what the political spectrum actually comprises of then. By the world standard, our whole country is ridiculously conservative. It's called the Overton Window, I already wrote a post about it. It got no replies because people have a hard time facing the fact the entire spectrum we are looking at is nothing close to right vs left, it's right vs SUPER right.

 

No, not really. They are simply convenient titles, ideological place markers so to speak. It boils down to those that want to preserve the vital aspects of their nation so as to ensure the maximum freedom and the decent aspects of culture for future generations and those people who live in a 'wishing will make it so' dreamworld who would screw everything up simply because they fundamentally cannot grasp that everything is connected to everything else and that there is no such thing as tweaking an integrated system in isolation.

What you do over there in your 'feel good' ideologically-based rush can very much negatively affect the cost of living or how entire communities live and work. Real conservatives think about these things out of love of country. Most liberals do not. All they know is what they FEEL about things and they want instant solutions here and now -- and the spill over costs be damned. Of course I am talking about the good conservatives, but in fact the Right has as many short sighted idiots among them as does the Left. Just short sighted about different things.

 

Wait, someone actually thinks that REPUBLICANS are representing the "middle class?" You have to be joking.

That assessment couldn't be further from the truth. If the right wingers had it their way they'd hang their own mothers out to dry to put another dollar in their pocket.

 

To say that supporters of one kind of government think about those things and the other is also dishonest and disingenuous and irresponsible to say. The real difference between the schools of thought are conservatives are more concerned for the well-being of themselves and liberals are concerned with that AND others.

 

What's astonishing is that the perpetrators of this stupidity have no idea that they make themselves out to be complete, blithering fools.

 

Nobody is representing the middle class. Both parties claim so to do and then once they get into office they become taken over by special interest considerations which somehow NEVER represent the interests of the middle class. On the other hand the middle class usually flourishes when wages are relatively high in comparison to the cost of living and any party that more often than the other party creates that environment is automatically helping the middle class.

Here's the deal though. The middle class was doing okay until Bush got into office. Anyone with a bit of knowledge about how capitalistic economies work understood that you cannot lower taxes across the board while simultaneously engaging in two wars in two different areas of the middle-east without having to sink your nation into an incredibly deep morass of national debt. Fair enough.

Then Obama sweeps into office on the meaningless promise of hope and change, ignores the damaged economy while needlessly continuing a two war front for an additional 18 months -- and we are still in the other one to this day -- while CONTINUING to borrow. Now we are 16 trillion dollars in debt and we cannot simply pretend what we owe is a figment of our imagination. As far as I am concerned, considering what they both ended up doing to this nation Bush and Obama are both EVIL and . . . their party leadership on the whole as well.

 

You know nothing about conservatives. Whereas since I posted side by side with liberals AGAINST G.W. Bush and his policies for many years, I do know liberals.

 

Other than I firmly believe that "left" and "right" no longer apply, I agree that the US is the among most "conservative" on the planet, right behind China as in dinosaur like resistance to change and embrace "new" ideas...

Something neither the Democrats nor the Republicans chose to do as you accurately point out, because of the Overton Window, or at least the perception of it; the reason I say right and left no longer apply. Romney, for example, brought in his early version of Obamacare and, from what I know, also had the insurance industry write it for him. A "right wing" politician with pretty much the exact program as "left wing" Obama, both written by the industry. Where is the distinction?

Obama, at the outset of his administration, fed billions into rich bankers pockets, something a right winger would do...where is the distinction?

Knowing Overton's Window should open the door to the next step, that that narrow window thinking leads to mere positioning and image as the two parties spend more effort in creating "wedge issues" than looking for true reform.

It is anathema to leadership and good government, however I am sorry to say it's happening everywhere. Sooner or later our "left wing, socialist" New Democratic Party will be making the same promises, in a different dress, as the Conservatives..as they now scramble for the ultimate prize "power".

We, as a society, no longer appear to want leadership, but game show host governance where what you can make things appear to be rules over what it best.

 

What middle class?

Last I saw it was disappearing from the economic landscape of the US.

 

No, you know opposition to Gee Dub. That doesn't automatically make them liberals.

 

True. It seems to be more or less cleanly splintering into either the lower level rich or the upper level poor at this point. There are times when I see the staggering amount of national debt as essentially being the death certificate of this nation and then times when I tell myself, "Oh it'll all eventually work out with no real harm done in the end."

But although I appreciate that second voice, I suspect that it is terribly and tragically wrong. Between them Bush and Obama both raped and plundered this nation's economy and I rather pessimistically suspect that there's no way to repair the damage done. 16 trillion dollars in debt and it's projected that Obama will manage to raise that figure to 20 trillion dollars of permanent national debt before he rides into the sunset . . . a very wealthy man. So it goes.

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Hahahaha! Yeah it does, considering the time period in which I posted against the war monger.

 

By that logic that means anyone opposing Obama is automatically conservative. I'm opposed to many Obama policies (most of which are extentions of Bush policies) and I'm far from siding with conservatives. The statement you made was highly generalizing a complexity of personal politics if not outright ignoring any other possibilities of being on one team or the other and STILL ignoring the Overton Window effect.

 

On the board that I posted at the time nobody played coy about their political affiliation or ideology. No, there were no conservatives at that time posting against G.W. Bush -- not there anyway. In fact, considering that Bush went into the Iraq war venture with something like a 60 or 65 percent approval rating, many of his pro-war fans, slavering for an unprovoked first strike, were also self-confessed leftwingers. Pretty neat, eh?

 

What so many refuse to see and invest in, is that the true value of a nation is in its PEOPLE. Right not, the wealthiest have sided AGAINST the people; that is near the foundation of the problem.

Americans need to wake up and reacquire control as citizens. The PEOPLE are the most important aspect of this nation; so few are seeing that.

 

I can call myself a purple coyote. Doesn't mean it's true.

 

We don't associate "middle ground" with putting a gun at the heads of 300 million Americans and telling them to buy something or lose the rights to their private property(that being their monetary value). That's extremist, violent, extortionist, a violation of the constitution.

And yet somehow we have the worst Supreme Court in American History that actually legalized such madness, when the Founders would have laughed such legislation out of the House, let alone the Senate and had such retardation somehow reached Sir Jefferson's desk, he would have vetoed it.

 

You mean that those pro-unprovoked first strike posters really were not leftwingers but only posted as leftwingers since the Clinton administration. Did I mention that I posted to that board for a very, very long time?