As of November 30, 2013, 1,195,645 citizens of the State of Florida held active concealed carry permits. That's more than 1 out of every 20 residents (including children, which is obviously 0), and is up 20% in just the past year. And our violent crime and murder rates are at virtually all time lows. Seems more guns=less crimes is true.
I am an avid advocate for concealed carry but don't confuse correlation with causation. Crime across the nation is dropping, even in place with more strict gun control. I am just not convinced that on a large scale concealed carry increase OR decreases crime. I could be wrong.
According to the CDC's 2007 numbers fatal gun accidents accounted for .5% of all fatal accidents in the US, or 613 deaths. Gun accidents accounted for .05% of all non-fatal accidents, or 15,698. Whether or not you consider that rare is a personal call. http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html
how about murder/rapes? knifing/robberies? Violent home invasions? Cops killing innocent children? Gang activities? baseball bat murders? Smoothering/choking deaths? Assisted suicides? Pushing over cliffs? Drive-bys? Knockout games? Cell phone-related car crashes that wipe out entire families? Oh, my, just guns guns guns fixated much? Cognitive dissonance much?
You're right. Louisiana has lack gun control laws. So does New Hampshire. Louisiana has the highest murder rate in the country. New Hampshire has the lowest. I guess my point is that the availability of guns to law abiding citizens doesn't seem to matter one way or the other, so there is little reason to restrict it.
that's interesting. NYC gun laws keep getting stronger, and OUR murder rate keeps going down too!!! as do other violent crimes. I guess strong gun laws DO reduce crime!
As a former resident, I am well versed with NYC's willingness to violate the 2nd Amendment. And despite the fact that it's next to impossible to legally own a firearm, and a virtual impossibility to get a carry permit unless you know the right politician, your murder rate is higher than Florida's. Perhaps the lesson is that gun control, or lack thereof, does not affect crime rates.
I am a NYC resident and I own a firearm. I have at least 3 co-workers who also own firearms, two of them owning longguns and handguns. next to impossible to legally own a firearm in NYC? wtf are you talking about????
you are a cop. bet your friends are too. cops are above the law and enjoy a certain benefit. They don't go through background checks to get their guns. You got no problem taking a gun away from a private citizen, but you'll be damned if a civilian takes yours away
The fee to apply for "permission" to own a handgun costs more than many handguns. I'm told by someone "in the know" that ALL first time applications are denied, and the fee is not refunded, so those who bother reapplying (which isn't 100%) have given the government enough money to purchase 2 handguns just to attempt to get permission to exercise their constitutional rights. It's harder and more stringent to get a license to have a firearm in you residence (and NOWHERE else) than to get a carry permit here. Not to mention that the state has started confiscating firearms they deem inappropriate. Based upon nothing but cosmetic features. So don't EVEN try to imply that they are somehow reasonable.
Yeah, that is pretty much my philosophy. If the government is going to deprive the People of a liberty it must be because there is an overwhelming benefit to the People in doing so with little to no negative impact on them. All data available indicates that gun control does not rise to that level.
so you admit that it is NOT impossible to get a firearm in NYC? good to see it. and of course, you also move the goalposts from "firearms" to "handguns", which have much more requirements in many states, not just NY. the fact is, pretty much anyone who applies for one, gets a Rifle/Shotgun permit in NYC. so your claim is crap.
I didn't say that. I said it was almost impossible to get one. The fact that it costs more than the 2 handguns amounts to the equivalent of a "poll tax" and is likely Unconstitutional. The fact that only those who are politically connected get carry permits is equally unconstitutional. Unconstitutional. Yeah? So I can move back and keep my AR-15? No, it's not. It costs over $400 to apply for a permit. ALL first time permits are denied, both for revenue enhancement as well as the knowledge that not everyone has ANOTHER $400 laying around to re-apply so the number of successful applicants will be reduced. And, oh by the way, if it's true, as alleged in a post above that you are NYPD, then you're merely spreading propaganda. Actually that's pretty much true even if you're not NYPD, but if you are, and did not disclose it with your "I have a gun in NYC" post, then you're acting as nothing more than a tool of the State.
prove it with evidence, or it didn't happen. I have two co-workers who have pistol permits, and I will ask them if their applications were first denied. i expect they will say "no". - - - Updated - - - tell that to the more than 60,000 NYers who have Rifle/Shotgun or Handgun permits in NYC.
A friend of mine worked in the office. That's what I was told. I believe it. If you choose not to, so be it. What are their professions? 60,000 out of 8,000,000. A higher proportion of Floridians have carry permits. By a LONG shot. 7% of Floridians have an active permit. Less than 1% of NYC residents (legally) own one at all, much less are legally able to carry. And your murder rate is higher than ours, albeit by a statistically negligible amount. Perhaps gun control accomplishes precisely nothing. Not to mention you didn't even address the fact that you guys are now actively confiscating politically incorrect weapons.
There is a reason less than one percent of NYC residents legally own firearms. And I don't think it's because 99% are ineligible to, or don't want to. I think it's because the process of doing so is unconstitutionally difficult.
do you want to know just how difficult it is? you write a check for $300 you fill out the paperwork. you get the paperwork notorized. you get a friend to sign a document. you get four passport-sized photos. you mail it in. you wait three months. then you can go buy your rifle or shotgun. its an inconvenience, but unless you wish to go rob a bank, its an acceptable one.
Add the $112 fingerprint fee, and you've reached a number that is higher than many, if not most, handguns. Here, $112 gets you EVERYTHING you need for CONCEALED CARRY, including the "fingerprint fee", and not just the right to have a firearm at home and nowhere else. There should be no paperwork to exercise your constitutional rights. Did you file government paperwork to express your opinion on this website? Not if you have a homicidal stalker, it's not. And you've yet to even acknowledge my comments vis-a-vis politically incorrect weapons being completely banned AND CONFISCATED, based on nothing more than cosmetic features. Registration leads to confiscation... EVERY TIME.
sorry bro, but handgun permits are only common sense. only a suicidal nation allows anyone to own a handgun, without a thorough background check.
