Let's All Make Up Our Own Minds

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  1. Just A Man

    Just A Man Well-Known Member

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    Sometimes we don't see the forest for the trees. I say this is the case of the Jan 6 video tapes. The media started out showing selected video tapes of the demonstration at the Capital on Jan 6. We watched these selected tapes over and over on the news. The congressional select committee had access to all the tapes. Now Tucker Carlson shows us more selected video tapes from Jan 6 and there is a firestorm. Come on man, the media showed some of the tapes with their narrative, Tucker showed some of the tapes with his narrative, so what's the problem? Well it seems the media is very upset with Tucker for showing some of the tapes. Seems Schumer (democrat) and McConnell (republican) are very upset with Tucker for showing some of the tapes. Shouldn't we, the citizens, be allowed to see all the tapes and then make up our own mind regarding what actually happened that day? We don't need the politicians, or the media, or Tucker, narrating some select videos for us. Intelligent people can make up their own mind after viewing all the videos. But why are so many people against 'we the people' viewing all tapes? Our government is showing us a lot of trees, but we need to see the forest.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is one major problem. There is no way that any of us is going to view all forty one thousand hours of tapes. It seems like a large group of people could take a look at the tapes and divide them into two groups. Those with violence and those without violence and then come up with percents. For example X percent of tapes were violent and Y percent of the tapes were peaceful.
     
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    I like this post wholeheartedly. Too bad so few people in America agree with us. The US is in real trouble.
     
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    You don't see interpretation biases? For example, did you find a problem with political commentators referring to the Floyd riots a mostly peaceful protests when, if fact, they were very rarely peaceful?
     
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    While I would never attempt to view all the tapes I do know enough to get my news from both liberals and conservatives. The truth will often be somewhere in the middle. We do know from experience news announcements are often incorrect and need a correction, and we know our government will lie to us. We should keep an open mind -- and not be swayed too far to the right or left. I do want the opportunity to view all the tapes if I choose to watch them. The future of our country is at stake.
     
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    None of us needed to see selective tapes.

    We were alive when it happened, and watched it live.

    My opinions about J6 were formed on J6, using primary evidence. They haven't changed one bit since the day it happened.
     
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    Of course you all realize that the Speaker of the House is the one who is witholding the tapes to everyone except Tucker Carleson and he (Carleson) is deciding what parts to air.
     
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    Even the "peaceful" demonstrators were illegally trespassing. They walked past windows and doors that their violent compatriots had busted. They were following people who had broken in.
     
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    Exactly, it's not even possible for someone to innocently walk past a broken window into the capital, even thorough an open door.

    Everyone who went in was guilty and not someone who should be defended, but our resident apologists keep acting like there is a difference between the person who broke the window and the person who saw the broken window and walked through an open door.
     
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    I am not claiming that they should have gone in.

    I see two distinctly different stories. One, by the Jan 6 commission, that it was a violent three hours. The other by Carlson, that it a was mostly peaceful with very few violent confrontations.
     
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    And with over 100 police injuries, we know there were more than "very few violent confrontations."
     
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    They are against it because many citizens and 90% of the corporate media have based their reputations on lies. Even though the lies were fed to them, they did not do their due diligence to see if they were true - Rule #1 in journalism.
    They were not doing journalism. They were doing partisan politics and relying on people not to investigate for themselves.
    People have staked their reputations, (or made it their primary talking point in social media) are now seeing themselves looking like the democrats’ useful idiots. And to mitigate the psychic damage of simply saying “Those lying bleeps!”, they dig in deeper and look even more desperate.
     
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    They did their due diligence. There was, indeed, a lot of violence that day. No one ever claimed that everyone was violent. Meanwhile, you are defending a network that literally, demonstrably, did exactly what you are accusing other journalists of doing. They aired election theft claims when they KNEW the only source of said claims was a person who claimed that they were a spiritually decapitated time traveler who talked to the Wind and whose spiritual revelations she also claimed showed that Scalia was murdered by the Bohemian Grove in a Hunger Games style hunting expedition.
     
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    That is pretty much a useless statement. What constitutes a police injury? Stubbing their toe. Getting hit over the head.
     
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    Examples include being bear sprayed (that, by the way, can be lethal), broken bones, head injuries, tasing (to the point of inducing cardiac arrest) and beatings. There was a great amount of violence that day. Please stop falling for Carlson's lazy dishonesty to play make-believe that this isn't true. Pretending that both sides have good points here is no different than claiming that flat earthers have some good points.
     
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    The Capitol belongs to We the People, does it not?

    All of the video should have been made public years ago.
     
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    This was just another "Protest" with aspects of violence, however, since they are blaming Trump for it (who wasn't even there), instead of a protest or riot it is an "INSURRECTION".
    They were just doing what the left does when they are angry about politics, but, many more consequences for protesting while republican.
    IMO: Charge people that only trespassed with whatever usually happens to people trespassing on government property and go HARD on the people that were involved in crushing that cop.
    All they have done with J6 is show how our partisan compromised "justice" system works.
    Rapists get set free same day with no bail but people that held a trump sign outside a building are gonna rot in jail.
    DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    The Capitol is not always open to the public, and not all areas of the Capitol are open to the public. Also, making all of the video public would be a HUGE security risk. It would be training material for the next Trump-style mob for how to be more successful next time.
     
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    I think the problem some people are having is with the narrative being produced along with the video. No one should be surprised (or outraged) by that. You could easily tune out the opinion of the talking heads and draw a conclusion from the video evidence shown. I question why anyone would object to the airing of the videos themselves. All the videos.
     
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    If you weren’t there as a witness, stop pretending to have facts. At least with the videos you get too use your own eyes instead of party operative’s.
     
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    There's video of the violence. Stop pretending that facts don't exist just because they offend your political agenda. Facts > feelings.
     
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    Still not buying that "HUGE security risk" bullshit your side has been using as a lame excuse to conceal the video from the public for years.

    There's a lot more questions that need to be answered than what the videos reveal, as well, and hopefully this Congress will finally get those answers.
     
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    It’s amazing people are ok with this. You’d think all Americans would be on board with these tapes being provided to all media. Not just one person.
     
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    I'm sorry that you are not on the side of basic reason. Showing ALL of the video to the public would provide a complete layout of the Capitol (something the rioters eagerly sought before they attacked), camera locations, LEO tactics, and escape routes. But, hey, at least you are furious that this footage was only given to ****er Carlson.
     
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    No. Some of the posters don't see the obvious. Is **** being spread on the walls 'political discourse' and 'peaceful' now?
     
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