Let's make the government shut-down permanent

Get rid of Obamacare today and none of that will change because insurance companies now know they can charge more than they were before and corporations now know that they can get rid of their full time workers and force people to work part-time.

Corporations are not going to give up their record-breaking profits.

 

Don't be silly, plaintiffs lawyers have huge advantages.

 

I'm pretty poor and my apartment is spotless. I see where you're going with the analogy, but it's not quite fitting.

In regards to damages to property, this would assume there is zero margin of error when it comes to possibility of corruption and that your figure fall in the realm of 0 to 0.0001% corruption of government entities involved in enforcement. And it's not something like crime...some damage cannot be reversed, such as nuclear waste.

 

They may win the case, but when the damages are less than 6 figures, how are they going to dissuade companies with daily 8 figure revenues to change their actions?

 

Find a lot of environmental concern among the poor but developing nations?

Oh yeah, I meant nations not people.

Does the current system provide this standard?

So, more government control will curb corruption, seems like it will ensure it. Guess who staffs the Dept o Energy? People that have or will be working in the oil industry of course.

 

When damages are small, they should be able to continue provided they continue to take responsibility. What is wrong with that? Manufacturing is a dangerous job, people die doing it, but the employers pays them and the costs gives them a strong incentive to make the workplace safer. Same with pollution. If they cost $20 in damage, it may just pay to clean it later, rather then stop. If it doesn't, they will stop. Efficiency is had by all.

 

Efficiency isn't had by all when Tort Reform prevents the efficiency level cost from being levied against the producer of the externality.

It's also unlikely to occur when a company makes sure to invest in every Judges' re-election campaign in the state and thereby owns the very people who will be enforcing damages against them.

 

And you just argued that laws are only suggestions and not laws. All those laws that non essential agencies enforce is just gone by the way side.

What the GWB do? We had OBL trapped in the Toro Boro region in Afghanistan. What did he do? Did he go in for the kill? No. He took the troops, sent them to Iraq to figght another war. What did AQ do? They simply went into Pakistan, sent their fighters to Iraq, and Bush made a complete mess out of the whole situation. On top of that, he disassembled the OSL unit altogether.

 

I can assure you that the plaintiffs' bar is much more generous than defense attorneys, and judges tend to be pro-plaintiff as a result.

 

Tell that to the statistics of judges siding with corporations in pollution cases.

 

Do you have such statistics? If so, I'd like to see them.

 

I'll see if I can find the documentary about lobbying and corruption amung judges.

 

As long as we can broaden the definition of "non-essential" in this context, I'm all for it.

 

I know judges take campaign contributions, but you assume the bias is towards large corporations. Has it occurred to you that plaintiffs' attorneys make millions of dollars on each case and give generously to judges? I'm thinking that has not occurred to you. Maybe you should sit down and think about it.

 

The documentary shows that judges side overwhelming on the side of corporations that they receive campaign financing from.

"They do it for plaintiff attorneys too!" is not a defense for corruption. Its evidence that we need a Constitutional amendment banning political contributions.

 

I don't know about making it permanent, but I would love for it to go on long enough to cause the Republican party to split. Which, in my opinion, has a good chance of happening. The moderate and LARGER part of the Republican party is not quite ready to commit suicide yet.

 

I also have problems with tort reform in that sense, especially caps. I would like to see summary judgment have some teeth though.

You dont buy judges like that. They dont need your campaign cash to win elections. Other then that, I agree with your post.

 

Let's complete it! Send all of Washington home without pay, and let the lobbyists be the only way to make them come back (since that's who they all work for anyway). The Senate does notihng, and the house only caters to the super rich, so they certainly don't need taxpayer cash. Let's do it 100%. The elitists have everything well under their control. They don't need taxpayer funded pay any more.

 

It is also law that they need their budgets re approved. Ignore laws? Like immigration laws? Like Obama? lol...

He went after him there and missed. The intel that got bin Laden came from an Iraq war detainee from what I understand, but I am guessing the true story of how it all went down is probably secret.

 

Our intelligence agencies face SEVENTY PERCENT furloughs. So again the question becomes...

why do Tea Partyers want the terrorists to win???

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/01/us-usa-fiscal-spies-idUSBRE9900ZF20131001

 

Government by ransome?

 

(Doesn't know anything)

 

No more government. Yahoo! Corporations can now make decisions and laws without having to get the consent of the majority of people. ITS ABOUT TIME!

And F the Environmental Protectional Agency. ITS ABOUT TIME! that we trust our Oil/Gas/Nuclear Energy corporations to maintain their own standards for waste disposal, drilling, fracking, and transportation of hazardous materials, without all the government regulations.

 

We agree for once, except about the elitists, I thought we were sending them home with the rest of Washington?

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Since when did you need permission to make a legal living?

Yeah, I am sure everything will be fine. It takes a few decades for the EPA to clean something up anyway, what is another month or so?

 

I agree. The "shut down" is nothing of the sort- nothing but a scare tactic used by both parties.

I endorse this compromise! Great idea :

Excellent! So does this the NSA won't be gathering people's Constitionally protected personal information without a warrant anymore? This just get's better and better!

So, two more over-bloated government agenties have been forced to cut back of shut down! For the American citizen this is a win-win so far!

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So, you rabid authoritarians can compromise after all, and all you had to do was come up with a few, common sense items that benefit us as citizens. You kids need to go to Congress and show 'em how it's done. To be honest, I never thought the denizens of PF to be able to come up with such common sense solutions.

Give'em hell, kiddies!