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Let's stop lying to ourselves: It was a terrorist attack

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by FixingLosers, Dec 5, 2015.

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  1. Amadeus

    Amadeus New Member

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    They sure do, but there is very little in the way of foreign attack happening.
     
    Amadeus, Dec 5, 2015
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  2. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What year and what Departments/Agencies changed the classification from
    " Workplace Violence " to an " Act of Terrorism ".
    Give yer authority.
     
    Foolardi, Dec 5, 2015
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  3. rahl

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    rahl, Dec 5, 2015
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  4. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    No, this is a foreign attack. This is the new world that we live in. We aren't going to see bombers with ISIS flags painted on the tail flying over NYC. We aren't going to see ISIS battalions doing beach landings in Virginia. It doesn't work that way. If the Chinese government is secretly communicating with Chinese-Americans to attack and kill other Americans then that is an attack on Americans by the Chinese. Our enemies don't have to literally drop bombs from the sky to hurt us. What they are doing now is even worse.

    ISIS has gotten powerful, they spread their message and influence the radicals around the world in various country's, including mine. They should have never been allowed to get this big. Every single military commander and adviser told our President this from the start. Stop these people now, do not let them grow, do not let their influence grow, do not let their message spread, stop them right now. The Administration refused to listen. Dismissing ISIS as a band of ragtag misfits who weren't a credible threat that we should worry about.

    These shooters pledged allegiance to ISIS because there IS an ISIS. There should have never been an ISIS, they should have been destroyed from the beginning. But instead we let them grow into the largest terrorist army that the modern world has ever seen. Spreading their powerful hateful message across the world, influencing and recruiting people in various countries. Convincing people to do what these shooters in California have done. Convincing people to do with those in Paris did.

    We cannot fight them individually because we have no real idea who is on their side. We have to destroy the message itself at the source. The core of ISIS itself has to be destroyed.
     
    Nightmare515, Dec 5, 2015
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  5. Amadeus

    Amadeus New Member

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    No, it's really not.

    Certainly the reaction to 9/11 exasperated the situation, making it exponentially worse.

    They only have the power that people give them. They are a relatively small band of radicals. They are not a military threat, and could be wiped out fairly easily on the field of battle. The problem is that it wouldn't solve anything. A new ISIS or [insert extremist group] would emerge in months, probably worse than ISIS.

    Meaning what? What's the core of ISIS and how do you destroy it?
     
    Amadeus, Dec 5, 2015
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  6. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    And this is exactly why we are in the situation we are in. Refusing to recognize that we are in danger. Refusing to recognize that ISIS is a legitimate threat. Remember, a relatively small band of radicals organized and carried out 9/11 resulting in the deaths of nearly 3,000 innocent Americans.

    Destroy ISIS and another one will just emerge. So why even fight with that mentality? Why do anything at all? No matter what there will always be another so just let it go. Accept the fact that there will be terrorism within the world and within the borders of the United States. When terrorism strikes again do not retaliate, just tell the families "Well we would do something but we feel theres no point, another one will just emerge anyway".

    That is the mentality that allowed ISIS to grow to what they have become today. Yeah this relatively small band of radicals managed to take over roughly half of two entire countries.

    ISIS operates via propaganda spreading their hateful message and influencing others to join their cause and carry out atrocities. How do you destroy ISIS? Cut off the head of the snake. You can't spread your message if you exist. Their main stronghold and their propaganda machine is based in Iraq and Syria. Destroy their strongholds, destroy their bases, retake the cities and land that they have conquered, shut down their machine. ISIS is "powerful" to many people because of what they have been able to accomplish as a terrorist organization. That is a powerful message that is sent to other radicals. Look at what we have accomplished, look at the land and territory we have conquered, look at the cities that fly our flag high above. Look at us as we drive our M1 Abrams tanks through our conquered territory imposing our will. We are powerful, we are spreading, we are winning, join us. People are more willing to join a winning team. People like to feel part of something powerful.

    Destroy them, show the world that no they are not winning. Have their potential recruits see what is going on. "Umm, no these guys aren't winning...they are getting destroyed, big time, no I don't really want to join up with them they are about to lose".

    And when the next one starts organizing and trying what ISIS pulled then destroy them too. BEFORE they get this big. Like we should have done in the first place.
     
    Nightmare515, Dec 5, 2015
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  7. Alucard

    Alucard New Member Past Donor

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    Yes, it was a terrorist attack but terrorist attacks involve people from all races and nationalities.
     
    Alucard, Dec 5, 2015
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  8. EggKiller

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    Actually I did. Either you choose to ignore the parallels or have another deficiency of sorts.
     
    EggKiller, Dec 5, 2015
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  9. EggKiller

    EggKiller Well-Known Member

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    Do the math then get back to us.
     
    EggKiller, Dec 5, 2015
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  10. logical1

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    But again as in this case it was radical muslims. Why is Obama so pig headed about not voicing this thruth????
     
    logical1, Dec 5, 2015
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    That is a corrupted Washington Times { a good newspaper } article
    that has been compromised.Stay at that article too long and get hacked.
    It is still pending due to the senate passing.But if passed it does
    what you said the opposite of.If newly classified as " Terrorism " then it
    opens up possible benefits for victims { injured } plus Purple Heart
    awarding.You said the opposite.That it was deemed " workplace Violence "
    to open up benefits.That is wrong.You Lied about.if it is Changed to
    " act of terrorism " THAT will open up benefits.Not the classification of
    " Workplace Violence " you are purposedly using doublespeak to
    make things appear as they are not.The entire Modus Operanti behind
    the Birther Movement.To make out as crazies any notion that Obama and
    his acolyte are openly tampering/conflicting and stating things about his
    Birth status that are sheer falsehood.
    There is Nothing available to use as authority that the 2009 Ft.Hood
    Shooting HAS been reclassified.It is PENDING.
     
    Foolardi, Dec 5, 2015
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  12. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The only one lying to himself is Obama. This attack proves him the fool for wanting to import more possible killer Syrians.
     
    logical1, Dec 5, 2015
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  13. Junkieturtle

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    That's true. We should probably just deport everyone since there's no way to know, for sure, whether anybody is going to have a radical change of heart and mind. Only when there is no one left in the United States will the U.S. ever be truly safe.
     
    Junkieturtle, Dec 5, 2015
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  14. Amadeus

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    Al-Qaeda was a small band prior and after 9/11. The resulting escapades in the Middle East increased their power a thousand-fold. Then ISIS splintered off from them, creating a much worse problem. There wasn't a single AQ member in Iraq prior to the invasion.

    You failed to supply a solution in your essay, just more of the same (e.g. perpetual war).
     
    Amadeus, Dec 5, 2015
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  15. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What's your point?
     
    Josh77, Dec 5, 2015
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  16. rahl

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    Sorry, just proved you wrong, and as usual your response is incoherant gibberish.
     
    rahl, Dec 5, 2015
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  17. Papastox

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    Why are you mocking a tragedy? Do you think this is a joke?
     
    Papastox, Dec 5, 2015
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  18. Papastox

    Papastox Well-Known Member

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    We are not experts, but obviously those who voted for Obama didn't get an expert either.
     
    Papastox, Dec 5, 2015
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are they happening on US (and European) soil? Then yeah, it is.

    Kill them. Kill all of them.
     
    vman12, Dec 6, 2015
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    lol, so the attackers pledged allegiance to ISIS, but it wasn't actually an ISIS attack as long as we pretend that it wasn't. Great liberal logic.
     
    Brewskier, Dec 6, 2015
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  21. EggKiller

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    The contradictions in your own statements show a desperate need to deny reality.
     
    EggKiller, Dec 6, 2015
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  22. Amadeus

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    Where's the contradiction?
     
    Amadeus, Dec 6, 2015
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  23. EggKiller

    EggKiller Well-Known Member

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    An enemy that has increased its power a thousandfold yet lacks the means to travel across an ocean?
    An enemy that has increased its power a thousandfold yet you beleive acknowledging thier existence will increase thier power?
    That is such inconsistent unfathomable thought processes calling it a contradiction is being kind.
     
    EggKiller, Dec 6, 2015
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  24. Amadeus

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    Yes.

    That's not what I said. I said that giving legitimacy and ISIS status to wannabes in America increase ISIS' power and sphere of influence. They want you to believe they have infiltrated America, when in fact they are stuck in the Middle East.

    I don't expect much nuance from a conservative or whatever you are.
     
    Amadeus, Dec 6, 2015
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  25. JBG

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    No. You're pulling your head out of the sand. ISIS and other Radical Islamic forces must be beaten even if there's lots of collateral damage.
     
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