Liberty or Living in Fear?

As some of you who read me know, a mate of mine just got back from three months in the USA (MIssissippi) visiting his daugther who married a USA Army Serviceman. No guns in his Home other than a hunting rifle.......SINGLE shot. So...my mate is there when the Serviceman is visited by his Sister-in-Law.

I don't know the context but she opens her purse to demonstrate she has a gun in it.

Serviceman's reaction.......'None of my kids will visit you at your Home while you have that thing.'

Why does she have it? For 'protection.' Protection from what?' 'Fear of being attacked.'

Can you not see the point Team USA?

Is that Liberty?

 

Ughh...*heavy sigh*

Thought we covered this 24 hours ago?

Do you live in fear of being unable to defend yourself with the best equalizer? Guns make a compotent granny < = 0r < equal to any thug out there.

Saying goes, GOD made men...Samuel Colt made them Equal.

Would you rather we be all unarmed victims of thugs?

Just because you are, dont hate us...

 

How I live is not the point of the Thread. It is how/why ordinary USA Sister-in-Law carries for 'protection.' Ergo......she lives in fear of being attacked. Is that Liberty/Freedom?

 

Come on Team USA. Is that question (posed in the OP) too embarrassing to confront?

 

"Can you not see the point Team USA?"

Seems like the point is: she's taking responsibility for her own safety.

"Is that Liberty?"

Absolutely.

 

Nah. Liberty does not come with fear. I don't have a gun in my 'handbag,' no Aussie does. I live in freedom, and I have liberty and no fear, or need to have protection. 25 million of us do the same.

 

Liberty should come with fear. Its dangerous.

Bravery is action in spite of fear, not devoid of it.

 

Rubbish. Stirring, could have been a line in The Patriot ...but still rubbish. I, and 25 million Aussies walk around our free Country with absolutely no evidence (i.e. possession of a gun) of any fear at all. How come the USA citizens need to have a gun in their handbag? The answer is.....they permanently live in fear of attack so the gun might be handy. It seems to me that my point is proven EVERY time EVERY American leaves their home, armed.

 

Why do you presume we 'need' to have a gun?

 

'Oh Dear' said the spider to the fly.

It is self evident. 'You' carry one. If you did not think you need it, you would not have it. Res ipsa loquitur.

Or is it like a cosmetic accessory, like a lipstick in the purse?

 

Do you 'need' a cell phone? Pocketknife? Car?

Surely you could continue to exist without these...

 

No, and it annoys me. But, I do have one on me always as I have a business to run. Most times when it rings when I am at leisure, I ignore it. Pretty sure I don't carry it out of any fear I'll be attacked in any way.

 

Where are you Team USA? Just one carrying the impossible burden?

 

Ha! A ninja edit!

No, I don't carry a pocket knife (that is unlawful in Australia.) Yes, I drive a car with great caution and in some fear that some idiot will be a careless idiot.

 

Perhaps this explains why Australians aren't particularly concerned with self-defense.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/australia-immigration/480189/

In recent years, Sweden has become the rape capital of the developed world, an overwhelming number committed by migrants from 3rd world countries. Once migrants land on the shores of Italy, borders are open to all of Europe. Austrailia, on the other hand, keeps migrants on isolated islands.

Our Socialists, having lost power over the past decade, are trying to regain power by importing migrants from the 3rd world. They protect violent migrants from law enforcement because a vote is a vote.

I don't own a gun. Having grown up in NYC, I was never a hunter, never needed one for sport. But, I will defend the right of any law abiding citizen to own one. The fact that a criminal doesn't know whether someone in a house might have a firearm is a deterrent in itself.

You're probably leaving something out like the profession of the woman in question. The only people I've known who pack own jewelry stores or are proprietors who go to the bank nightly to deposit the day's receipts.

 

Nah. That ignores the point of the Thread. It is not about immigration. It is about the need for USA citizens to walk around with weapons. I say that is because they are not in Liberty at all. I say they are living in fear of being attacked.

 

So.....who drove and ferments that fear. Where did it come from?

 

Swedish women live in fear of being attacked because of immigration. I don't live in fear of anything because I live in a civilized part of the country which is 95% of the US. If I lived in one of the Socialists' sanctuaries, I might purchase a firearm.

 

I am not buying into your very obvious immigration stuff, including your reference to Sweden. This is about guns in the USA and that people carry them in fear there. The ultimate question is.....does 2A bring Liberty/Freedom? I say ..... nah. No-one here will take that point on.

 

Liberty means the liberty to take things into your own hands as far as common sense goes.

The liberty to defend yourself from attacks.
The liberty to carry a firearm in a country where you have almost more firearms than there are citizens.
The liberty to speak your mind and take on the consequences of that speech.

The Second Amendment is there to among other things, prevent a tyrannical government from killing its own citizens. It's to prevent the government from using its powers and authority over its own citizenry.

It does indeed bring liberty/freedom. It brings the opportunity to be free from a potential tyrannical/Authoritarian government. Nazi Germany took away the guns from their citizens and look where they ended up. Communist Russia during the early 20th century took away guns from its citizens and look where that ended up: Tens of millions of dead people.

Some carry them in fear, yes. Have you seen crime statistics pertaining to guns for every big city? Near-daily mass shootings(gangs)? The chance of getting robbed, raped or even murdered on the street?

The world is not a safe place to be in, and you're delusional to think otherwise. The Second Amendment serve also as a means of self-defense. A self-defense level above those that may and/or want to do harm to you, your loved ones and/or your friends.

 

Agree.

Agree.

100% disagree. The very fact that you have many more fireramsin your 'purses' makes my point. Guns = live in fear.

Agree, and irrelvant to the Thread.

Oh.....my Mates daughter's Sister-in-Law has her gun in her handbag to fend off Trump's Government. Nah.

Prove it.

Gawd. How irrelevant can you get? Are you saying that the USA is the potential equivalent of Nazi Germany and Communist Russia?

Same here. Except.....the citizenry gave up their guns. We walk around our Country sans guns and sans fear. We have Liberty. You live in fear. That is self evident. No liberty at all. One day........I will be proven right, but I'll be long gone, and USA will suffer gun massacres at increasing levels because of 2A....which is the very core reason you live in fear. I know you reckon otherwise. So, (metaphor) explain to me why my Wife leaves Home every day without a gun in her handbag?

 

I wear seat belts. I am not in fear of having an auto accident.

A person who is prepared to defend themselves is most likely not living in fear. It is just the opposite. A 75 year old grandmother who carried a 357 Magnum pistol was asked what she was she afraid of. Her answer "Not a damn thing".

I occasionally go into the woods. I know there is a very large black bear in the area because my game camera occasionally catches him on film. I sometimes carry a pistol with me if I suspect he is in the area. Not because I am living in fear, but simply because it is the smart thing to do.

 

Having a gun doesn't equate living in fear. It's called taking preemptive measures to reduce the chances of being assaulted. And if it happens you have the means to defend yourself.

That fact and knowledge alone reduces the amount of assaults, gun homicides and rapes occurring.

Trump's government is pro-2nd Amendment. Just going to let you think about it for a while, see if you understand it.

The fact that the US haven't taken the route of Nazi Germany, Maoist China, Fascist Authoritarian North Korea or Communist China is proof enough.

The Second Amendment also serve as a good measure against potential foreign invaders for that matter. Knowing that around every corner there are guns hiding? Yeah, it's going to serve as a deterrent for sure.

That is not what I said.

And I quote myself:

Taking away guns from law-abiding citizens, especially in a nation where guns are already circulating by the hundreds of millions, is only going to cause way more deaths because the law-abiding citizens are defenseless.

Criminals don't give a crap about whatever law you put out. And on that note.. What laws does criminals actually follow? I'm eager to know.

In the case of Communist China, Nazi Germany, Maoist China and North Korea, they gave up their guns for a variety of reasons. One of them was propaganda and being lied to. Other reasons were blackmailing, usage of fear due to threats either towards they themselves and/or their family, outright murder, and other tactics and strategies used to disarm the public. It also shows that you should never fully trust your government with ANYTHING, especially not your personal safety. They serve their citizens, not the other way around. The Second Amendment serve as a reminder of that fact.

Well, where do you live?
How do you live?
Live in a gated community?
Live out in the wilderness or in an urban, rural or suburban area?
What's the crime rates looking like?
What's the likelihood of getting attacked in your area?
Does your neighborhood in general have firearms and/or other means of self-defense/protection?

Depending on how you answer these questions(and more, for that matter), it can and will affect whether or not someone will carry a firearm.

Your wife not taking with her a gun says a lot of things, actually.
a) She lives in a relatively safe area
b) Possibly live in a gated community/area
c) Possibly live in a rural area
d) Statistical likelihood of getting attacked is low or very low
e) Neighbors are either armed themselves and/or have other good means of defending themselves
Context is everything, and the context will explain the results.

 

You mean being free to defend yourself as opposed to countries that keep their serfs under control by telling them what they cannot do?

 

That's right it's not, because that's none of our business and neither is it your's to assail anyone's reason to carry a firearm. Do you live here? If you don't then you can't possibly understand the absolute sewer America has become. Crime here is not particularly rampant but the instance of violent crimes make it so that being armed just makes sense. I'll be damned if I'm going to lose my life for the contents of my wallet. The instance of violent crimes in the US is highest in states with ridiculously punitive gun laws and liberal attitudes toward violent criminals. Each circle on this map of liberal Chicago represents a shooting/homicide so far this year. Not one was committed by a licensed gun owner.