Lincoln-Kennedy links are proof of God

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  1. Robert Urbanek

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    It is easier to prove the existence of God if you think of Him less as a Creator and more as a Criminal. Circumstantial evidence puts God at the scenes of our most infamous crimes.

    The synchronicity linking the assassinations of Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy is circumstantial evidence of a God who arranges murders. Only God could program or “script” history so all these connections fall into place. Many of the links are well-known:

    Both Lincoln and Kennedy were shot in the head from behind while sitting next to their wives. Lincoln was shot in Ford's Theater. Kennedy was shot in a Lincoln Continental made by Ford. Both presidents were accompanied by another couple and the male companion of the other couple was wounded by the assassin.

    The atheist: Just a coincidence, just a coincidence, just a coincidence.

    John Wilkes Booth has 15 letters. Lee Harvey Oswald has 15 letters. Booth fled from a theater to a storage facility, a tobacco barn. Oswald fled from a storage facility, a school book depository, to a theater. Both assassins were killed before they could be put on trial.

    The atheist: Just a coincidence, just a coincidence, just a coincidence.

    Lincoln was elected to the presidency in 1860, Kennedy in 1960. Lincoln was elected to the House of Representatives in 1846, Kennedy in 1946. Lincoln was runner-up for his party’s nomination of vice president in 1856, Kennedy in 1956.

    The atheist: Just a coincidence, just a coincidence, just a coincidence.

    Both presidents had vice presidents named Johnson. Andrew Johnson's name has 13 letters. Lyndon Johnson's name has 13 letters. Andrew Johnson was born in 1808. Lyndon Johnson was born in 1908.

    The atheist: Just a coincidence, just a coincidence, just a coincidence.

    How do we stop the atheist from sounding like a broken record (assuming you are old enough to remember what a “broken record” is)? Let’s give it one more shot.

    In the 1951 movie The Tall Target, inspired by real events, Dick Powell plays a New York police detective, Sgt. John Kennedy, who boards a train to thwart a plot to kill Abraham Lincoln as he makes a pre-inaugural speech in Baltimore in February 1861. Conspirators on the train know of Kennedy's mission and plan to get him out of the way. One character tells Kennedy, "I don't know anything about a plot against Lincoln's life, but there certainly seems to be one against you."

    A young man on the train, who has military training, plans to shoot Lincoln through the window of an upper floor of a building as the president-to-be gives a speech from the back of a train car. The assassin will use a rifle with "a new-fangled telescope sight." The John Kennedy in this 1951 film is discovering how the other John Kennedy will be assassinated in 1963.

    The diehard atheist at this point closes his eyes, puts his hands over his ears and shouts: JUST A COINCIDENCE! JUST A COINCIDENCE! JUST A COINCIDENCE!

    There’s no pleasing some people.

    Albert Einstein said, “Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous.” The jig is up. God cannot hide anymore.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Interesting!

    There is another influential Biblical personage other than G-d who could be involved????

    Job 1:6


    Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

    And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

    And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

    Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

    Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.

    But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

    And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
     
  3. Robert Urbanek

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    If the devil can arrange the times, places and people that make the Lincoln-Kennedy links possible, then he has powers rivaling the Almighty. and one could wonder if all the parties to the assassinations really had free will.
     
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    The examples you post here are IMHO not good examples of synchronicity -- but I did download the Kindle version of your book from Amazon due to a previous discussion on this subject and your above post is a good reminder for me to read it. If the events you mention are synchronicity in the Jungian sense, how do you then leap to the conclusion of a God? Does something unexplainable by modern science or knowledge justify the claim God exists?
     
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    Synchronicity reveals patterns. And those patterns cannot exist without design, and thus, a Designer. True, Jung never gave God as an explanation of synchronicity but he did seem to indicate a link between synchronicity and consciousness, and only a superior consciousness can put the coincidences in order. Admittedly, it would be hard to attribute divine intervention to personal experiences of synchronicity that only seem relevant to the individual experiencing them. Perhaps synchronicity operates at both a macro and micro level, with the small-scale coincidences available to individuals who have accessed, without fully realizing it, a mini-version of the larger synchronicity creation program.
     
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    Why do these patterns necessarily indicate that the designer is God?
     
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    What other explanation do you have?

    When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. — Sherlock Holmes, The Adventure of the Blanched Soldier
     
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    JFK was killed by the descendants of the people that killed Lincoln. Elite families that manipulate from behind the scenes, with a flair for the dramatic, weaving occult patterns into their manipulations, in part, as a means of communicating their complicity to other, often competing, elite shadowy groups, to intimidate, or brag, or both.

    That's at least as likely as an evil God doing it.
     
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    The unlikely, when attempted enough times, becomes certain. That is the basis behind coincidence. When you have unrelated events happening all the time, eventually we will find patterns in those events, that simply happen because eventually it has to happen given enough time and tries.
     
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    Even if we accepted the things you describe aren’t simply coincidence, why would it automatically mean that the specific God you believe in is the controlling factor? Why not Satan? Why not Zeus, Loki or Quetzalcoatl? Why not advanced aliens, multi-dimensional beings or magic space pixies? :cool:
     
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    I have to admit that that is an exceptionally good question????????

    I don't know the answer...........
    but one part of the answer would include being able to explain the difference between demonic possession and mere demonic influence?????
     
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    Would you be happier if I had said god instead of God? I think not. We both know your objection is to synchronicity pointing to a design and designer, not the identity of the designer.
     
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    If there was an ancestral link between Lee Harvey Oswald and John Wilkes Booth, someone would have found it by now. If you are going to offer an alternative theory, at least provide some evidence to support it. Also, your shadowy group would have had to manipulated JFK's career so that it would parallel Lincoln's, and would also have had a role in the creation of the movie The Tall Target. You are attributing god-like powers to mere mortals.
     
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    That is a legitimate argument when discussing random events occurring over vast periods of time, such as the evolution of single-cell organisms over millions or billions of years. It is less valid in discussing a limited set of persons over a limited period.

    Your argument is like that made by the deniers of human-caused climate change who claim that the rising temperatures we are experiencing now are merely the random variations that can occur over the course of earth history.
     
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    An ancestral link between those that put them up to it. They very well could have been mere pawns in a wider scheme that has yet to be discovered.

    No manipulation necessary. They were both killed because of their political careers similarly threatening the power of the manipulating elite. The similarity in their careers may be what caused them to be targetted.

    Unlimited resources is Godly power. Effectively unlimited political and financial resources, such as theoretical 'behind the scenes' centuries-old power brokering banking families would have, is god-like power, at least compared to average joes. Coupled with an inherited doctrine of surreptitious control, ruthless strategy and occult practices indoctrinated into family members from birth, could equate to supernatural-seeming levels of control over aspects of human interaction.
     
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    If this is the best proof of a god, any god, then you're in trouble.

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and this is a series of coincidences.

    How about the usual stuff: old manuscripts, relics, miracles, bleeding statues? Tried and tested, and good enough to fool the weak-minded.
     
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    Yes.. ... and all of this opens us up to a lot of interesting possible sideline questions?

    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

    I actually do believe in evolution but I think that anybody who would dogmatically limit evolution to our four dimensional space time continuum lacks basic mathematical aptitude.

    Back in the 1990's I read several articles on GUT and string theory. Later on I read Stephen Hawking's Universe. in his chapter The Anthropic Principle he speculated that perhaps there were an infinite number of unsuccessful universes out there somewhere in which was no life due to the fact that electromagnetism, gravity, weak and strong nuclear force were not properly tuned for life as we know it. It seems obvious to me that another possibility is that the first intelligent life form might be composed of energy. Probably a fundamental energy such as SuperForce or Super Energetic Matter which may be the common denominator for all four forces active in our fourth space time dimensional continuum.

    13.72 billion years is roughly equal to ZERO time when compared with eternity. If fundamental energy would always have existed, as I assume Dr. Hawking seems to believe due to his suspicion of their having been an infinite number of unsuccessful universes and probably Big Bang + Grand Collapses, then if evolutionary theory could be expanded to have occurred within infinite time as opposed to limiting abiogenesis and evolution to abouit 4.5 billion years than you increase the probability of evolution being possible by essentially an infinite factor! I do believe in evolution occurring, but I suspect that perhaps 99% of evolution probably occurred before our Big Bang which was probably planned and choreographed by the Life Form/life forms that would probably be composed of fundamental energy.

    Is evolution more probable to have occurred within 13 billion years or within eternity?

    I must admit that these ideas about invisible higher space time dimensions sure does remind me of what many people who have a brush with death report.
    http://www.near-death.com/ritchie.html#a05
     
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    I have provided an extraordinary list of connections between Lincoln and Kennedy. Let me add another.

    In July 2015 I borrowed from my local library a DVD titled Visions of Ireland. The 2007 program, created for public television, offers a 75-minute aerial tour of Ireland. In one scene, as the camera pans the Kennedy Arboretum in County Wexford, the narrator notes that the facility was selected to honor “our American cousin” John Fitzgerald Kennedy, whose ancestors hailed from County Wexford.

    A similar reference is found in an irishamerica.com webpage titled “The American Cousin: Memories of JFK’s Trip to Ireland.”

    “Our American Cousin,” of course, was the name of the play being performed at Ford’s Theater when Abraham Lincoln was assassinated. While the title refers to a boorish relative visiting an English family, the comedic play, in retrospect, predicted the rise of the American president who would be referred to as “our American cousin” by the Irish.
     
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    I object to any unsupported assertions. Presenting these events as proof of some kind of creator would be highly questionable. Presenting them as proof of a specifically defined creator god is ridiculous.
     
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    Ideally, one should be able to plug all the Lincoln and Kennedy variables into some probability formula and compute the odds of all these coincidences being the result of random chance, but the subjective nature of history does not make this possible.

    But do we really need a calculator or an equation? When the first “21” card counter and his financial backer went to Reno, they were thrown out of every casino. The managers who expelled them didn’t know what was going on but they knew from experience and their own “gut feeling” that the blackjack winning streaks could not be explained by random chance.

    We may not fully understand what is going on but we should know from experience and our own “gut feelings” that the Lincoln-Kennedy connections are a “winning streak” that cannot be attributed to random chance.
     
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    Ok, lets take our 45 presidents. If you take every possible combination, that is 45+44+43+42+41. This comes out to about 1035 possible combinations of two presidents. Now all you need to do is find a cool pattern in just one of these 1035 to declare it a miracle. When it comes to dates, we have tons of important dates associated with each president and even people related to them so that makes things a lot easier. And even if dates fail, there are literally trillions of data points associated with the lives of each person, and its likely that in these 1035 combinations, that you will eventually find one related datapoint bridge between at least one of them. Its likely we will probably find thousands, and even multiple similar ones together.

    If you had the time, you could probably write a computer program and start stuffing it with these personal info and start looking patterns. And the ones you mentioned like the same number of letters in names, and looking for exact century differences in dates would be just the beginning.
     
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    If that were the case, somebody would have already done it; there is a large contingent of skeptics who are forever heaping scorn on synchronicity.
     
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    No such thing as 'impossible'.
     
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    To be brutally honest, this program would take years to write, to compile down all the presidents lives into a computer program like this, and nobody has the time for that. Also, I can very much assure you that very few skeptics have heard your presidents theory. I have been posting on forums for almost 15 years, and have heard a lot of unique proofs for God's existence, and this is the first time I have come across it.
     
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    And there you have the crux of it. Picking out the data points that are similar says a great deal about the person doing the picking and nothing about the data or the people related to it. By themselves they are 'proof' of nothing.
     

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