Lt. Col. Vindman didn't think the call was so perfect.

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  1. gnoib

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    wasn't he actually in the room and was able to hear the conversation ?
     
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    I think the strategy now is "The whole investigation is invalid because we don't know who the whistleblower that started all of this is." and pray that that makes people forget that Trump is a criminal.

    In other words, they think there are enough gullible Americans other than those in their base.
     
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    Your history in the Trump era is not one of fact finding or...well anything to do with facts. You've bounced from one conspiracy theory to another and now, you've latched on to the latest one in spite of the fact that we can all read the transcript of the call. Thinking this person, who as witness to the call we've all read, is going to add something new is ludicrous. Which is why you were not able to answer my question, which was what possible advantage there is in bringing in witnesses to a phone call in which we've had the transcript to for weeks?

    Of course, although I expected you to reply, I didn't expect that you would be able to answer my question and you've fulfilled my expectations.
     
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    Yeah, he said it's in the public record, we've all heard it
     
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  5. Lil Mike

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    I suspect he was one of the people assigned to take notes of the call so he wouldn't be in the room, but listening in on a live feed of the call.
     
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    I have noticed that Trumpets do not want to deal with the evidence. They find other things to talk about.

    Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the National Security Council's top Ukraine expert, testified today. He is first current White House staffer to testify, and the Ukrainian expert was in on the phone call, Vindman, a decorated veteran from the Iraq War, speaks both Ukrainian and Russian, a distinct advantage over other witnesses who have confirmed the quid pro quo nature of the call.

    According to a copy of his statement, Vindman was so troubled by the call that he reported his concerns to a superior.

    "I was concerned by the call. I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government's support of Ukraine," Vindman said in his opening statement. "I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained."

    "This would all undermine U.S. national security. Following the call, I again reported my concerns to NSC's lead counsel."

    According to the Ukrainian expert on the NSC, Trump created a national security threat to our country.

    Why? Ukraine is the first line of defense against Russian aggression.

    There is more. Suffice to say Vindman's testimony was devastating for Trump. It is why Trump, his press secretary, and Trump's Republican defenders in the House made complete fools of themselves trying to change the subject and resorted to name calling.
     
  7. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Even Liz Cheney, daughter of Shooter Dick.........the architect of the Iraq debacle, excoriated her fellow Repubs for disparaging a dedicated Army officer in order to defend the disgusting piece of shyte known as President Bonespur. Why? Out of moral outrage? No!!!!!!!!! Because absent from her criticism was any mention of how Baby Donald attacked Vindman. She did it for political reasons. She fears a backlash from those in "the base" who rightly have more respect for Vindman than they do for the disgraceful conman a minority of the country elected prez. She fears the curtain will be drawn and the entire house of cards built on Don's vitriolic, bloviating, bluster will come crashing down.
     
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    What a cop out.

    So anybody who believes their opinions are good for the country automatically is validated in their positions over the partisan opposition.

    Just because you believe your agenda is loyal to the country and President Trumps and others isn't doesn't make your opinions more valid.

    There are a whole lot of people on this forum and in this country that need to learn their opinions are not the holy grail. Opinions are like *******s, everybody has one. Get over yourself.
     
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    Excellent post sir!
     
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    Col Vindman is an example of why our country was until January of 2017 was a great country and still has the foundation of being great again after this current cancer in the Oval Office is sent packing back to NY or maybe Russia.

    Alexander Vindman is a great American because his love of and dedication to his country our country that he chose to speak up and speak truth to power.

    I am not in any way comparing my military career to the great achievement that he accomplished but he like many of us proud and loyal American and served our country in combat who are American by choice not by accident of birth.

    It is obviously painful but not unexpected to watch the WH propaganda network aka Fox attack Col Vindman just because he is an American by choice has stood and spoke the truth.
     
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  11. Lee Atwater

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    I've heard that before from Trumpette's. What I haven't heard is actual refutation of the facts. Any time you want to start, please proceed.
     
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    It's an irrefutable fact that the Colonel has an opinion...
    It's an irrefutable fact that the unelected Colonel disagrees with duly elected president Trump on foreign policy...

    It's an irrefutable fact that we know as much about the call as the Colonel does as we have read the transcript. There was nothing inappropriate, let alone illegal in that call, as Zelensky himself readily acknowledged.
     
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    Can you blame the Trump fans? After all their anointed one stands on the precipice of being impeached and they are shifting into panic mode where they are saying anything but "yes, he did screw up and needs to be held accountable for his actions". Time to man up and acknowledge that you made a mistake in 2016 and get him out of office before he does anymore damage to our country and destroys what little credibility is left of the Republican party.
     
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    Yep, and the paragraph highlighted in red was all the Colonel had to say on the matter.... He had no crimes or misdemeanors to report, none whatsoever.

    He had "concerns" about Ukraine maybe losing bipartisan support, no less. LOL I actually share his concerns... I just don't remember that 65 million Americans voted for Vindman to define our foreign policy. I vividly remember how 65 million Americans voted for Trump to do it though.
    LOL
     
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    Your post is purposely deceptive. The transcript provides evidence of soliciting foreign assistance in a US election, which is a crime. It doesn't matter if Vindman did not address the commission of that crime.
     
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    Hmm, if that was the case, this Colonel's testimony would even be needed lol

    Your response, bogus and baseless as it is pretty much confirms that his entire testimony was his concerns about Ukraine, his opinions on Trump's foreign policy and zero evidence of crimes and misdemeanors.

    You know what it thus makes his testimony - wait for it - another NOTHINGBURGER

    Lol
     
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    Nixon said the same thing.
     
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    Lol and leftist loonies keep saying the same nonsense they were saying during their Russia collusion hoax hysteria. Lol
     
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    We don't say "the same" things. That will land him in prison. But not before he's out of office. This will remove him from office. Be it by the impeachment process itself, or by showing the American people that he's a criminal so they can vote him out if Republicans protect him.
     
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    Accusing him of crimes without a shred of evidence isn't the same gibberish you spent 3 years spewing during the leftist Russia collusion hoax hysteria?

    Any day now he'll be removed from the WH is not the same gibberish you spewing 3 years doing during the leftist Russia collusion hoax hysteria? Lol

    ZERO chance, dude. Absolute zero chance. The grown ups in the Senate will not dignify the hyper partisan politicized circus Schitt and Nancy are running. It will be laughed out of the Senate, Trump will be found innocent and acquitted, as he should be.. and reelected.
     
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    A guy can disagree. Seems this one felt entitled enough as a light col to sound off about it. These are the folks who usually retire quietly because they can't keep their mouths shut. But here, democrats like this behavior, suddenly. Perhaps you forgot the purges Obama carried out on exactly this kind of behavior while he was president.....
     
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    :blahblah::blahblah::blahblah:..............whataboutism.............:blahblah::blahblah::blahblah:

    Got anything of substance?
     
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    Vindman struggles to explain why he used "demand" when questioned
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...in-why-he-used-demand-when-questioned.563655/
     
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    You mean like how you clapped while Obama was purging the officer corps? Like that?
     
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    Vindman didn't add anything we didn't already know
     
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