Majority of Americans Support Medicaid for All

OK, but not every state accepted the enhancement of Medicaid, and some even passed laws restricting its use. Conservative Republicans who oppose Obamacare & Medicaid, and are fully aware of the impact their views & votes have on the masses, come across to me as heartless, un-caring, non-compassionate, selfish, self-serving politicians. They care more about the bottom line than people's lives--which I also find prevalent among the so-called ProLife groups. I have healthcare insurance, but I also care for those who don't. They are Americans too. They are also human beings. And, money is far down the list of concerns when life itself is at stake.

I think other countries DO pay a fair price. I think the pharmaceutical companies are gouging Americans because they know they can. The Republican Congress endorses their actions & does nothing to protect their fellow Americans. I find that reprehensible.

Not all foreign prescriptions come from Mexico. If you don't trust Mexico, buy from Canada or Europe. When enough people do that, American Rx companies will get the hint and lower prices due to competition. Current Republican policies do nothing to motivate Rx companies to lower prices.

For most medicines I support a few years period for the developing company to reap the rewards of extra profit from a new, effective drug. However, for some drugs that mean the difference between life & death for a patient, I think that patient should be guaranteed access to that drug for a fraction of the going price, until the patient recovers, dies, or the proprietary period is over. That way, the needs of the patient and the company are honored & satisfied.

 

Direct primary care. /thread

PS...yes I know you aren't supposed to /thread your own post but in this case my post is so brilliant you can **** off.

 

First part is just illiterate ignorant political talking points and quite hypocritical considering the damage your precious Obamacare did to the system despite ALL of the warnings that ended up coming true but your side poo pooed.

Second part is just flat out wrong. The NHS has an entire list of drugs that they will not cover because they are to "expensive" for their system. Many countries pay less than market value for 2 reasons. First is the simple power of market negotiation which is fine but the second part is that there are price discrepancies between what one country pays and another country pays which is wrong. It needs to be clear that no country pays more than another country for the same medicine. One of the reasons the US market is so much more expensive is because drug companies figure that they have to make up for lost profits from other markets. That needs to be stopped immediately.

I agree with the third part.

The last part is ambiguous. Do you mean that the company that develops the "life saving" medicine? If so, what company is going to bother making them?

 

Well a mighty big difference. ALL states have Medicaid programs. Part of Obamacare was to try and force the states to expand that program, subsidize the stated for three years and then the state had to fully fund the expansion. Yeah lots of states said "ARE YOU CRAZY". How were they supposed to fund that huge increase after three years? And perhaps take your emotions out of it and deal with healthcare on a more pragmatic level. Obamacare did not do what it said it would do and has cost hard working American families lots of money and lots of lost care they could no longer afford. The problem now is how to extract ourselves out of the mess the Democrats made.

Based on what? What do you think the profit margin on a pharmaceutical considering how much it cost to research and test and go through trials and FDA approvals and how many of those investments they make do not come to fruition?

You DO know Trump has a committee looking into the matter. You DO support that don't you?

Well if the patients and their insurance aren't paying for it who will? It can cost an investment of hundreds of millions to bring a new drug to market which means you have to sell billions just to break even. Once it goes generic and LOTS of generic companies will back engineer and flood the market.
Tell me what return on your retirement investments do you shoot for?

 

1. What damage to the system came from Obamacare? Spreading coverage to more than 17 million people seems to me to be quite a positive accomplishment. Forcing insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions likewise. What did Obamacare damage? Profits?
2. I didn't know about the NHS list, but if it's too expensive for them to handle, it's too expensive for patients too. Whose rights are you trying to protect? Whose side are you on?
3. I agree with you that no country should have to pay more for Rx meds. I agree that higher charges for U.S. patients to recover loses elsewhere needs to be stopped.
4. Good.
5. Yes. But they shoul have more than that single drive for wealth & profit motivating them. Don't you think?

 

"Either you enroll in Medicare Part A, or you forfeit your Social Security benefits. Most individuals are unwilling to forfeit their Social Security benefits, and thus accept the enrollment into Medicare."
https://www.verywellhealth.com/why-am-i-being-forced-into-medicare-at-age-65-1738542
I think that's a pretty good forced to do so.

 

I have to give you English lessons. All those those things which people cut and past off the internet and provide sites for:

: to quote by way of example, authority, or proofcites several noteworthy authors
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cite

You cite things from sites.

Obfuscation noted.

 

Yes I know how they work what is your point.

 

"We" should, Ok Y'all pay more then. I like that idea.

 

If you think that the dramatic price increase under Obamacare for middle income people is a good thing. Its like you people think that only poor people are in the marketplace. The oObamacare market has become a nightmare for people who make just enough that they don't qualify for the subsidies. Success isn't providing insurance to one group of people and completely trashing the insurance of everyone else. That is NOT success by any definition. There was a reason that all of the insurance companies supported the passage of Obamacare.

No, companies exist to make profits for the owners or the shareholders if they are incorporated. That is it. There are companies that were started to "better" the world ostensibly but profit and wealth are the primary motivators of all businesses. If you can't make a profit you go out of business. If you can find a nonprofit drug company you might have a point but those don't exist......at all.

 

Yup, Medicare for all would be the simplest way to start reforming our healthcare system into one that is cost-effective like every other developed nation has. The beauty of it is that all we have to do is expand current programs we already have in place and don't need to create an entirely new system. Also Medicare for all has broad support while the right can't even agree on what free market solution they even want and most of their proposals don't actually help much and are unpopular. After we have expanded Medicare for all, we can then slowly reform healthcare incrementally to make our healthcare system more cost effective like every other developed nation.

Other developed nations spend 2 1/2 times less on healthcare than we do and they actually spend as much in public spending covering 100% of the population as we do to cover 30%. Support for their healthcare systems is above 80% in other developed countries and is even 86% in Canada which has a under-performing system. Their systems aren't perfect but there is virtually no-one who wants to switch away from a public system even among their conservatives. Its like how there is virtually no support for getting the government out of the fire department and doing it all privately.

 

That was from a ruling prior to Obamacare which changed Medicare enrollment options.
This is from questions on the MEDICARE. WEBSITE . I quoted the answer.
If you can get it cheaper elsewhere in the individual market place , and it has NOTHING TO DO WITH SISUAL SECURITY. you can drop it. QHPs are any qualifying private healthcare plans.
A.6. The Individual Marketplace Qualified Health Plans (QHPs) may be cheaper than Medicare for individuals who have to pay a premium for Part A. Can someone with Premium Part A drop Medicare and enroll in the Individual Marketplace?
Yes. Individuals who are not eligible to get Medicare Part A for free may drop both their Premium Part A and their Part B coverage (or choose not to enroll when first eligible). An individual who does not have Medicare (either Part A or Part B) can enroll in a QHP.

 

This is why America is taken for a ride by big pharma.

There would be ways of doing it that would allow you to maintain private enterprise

 

Yea like they cannot sell at a loss or less then average domestic prices to foreign countries

 

I am eligible for Medicare.

 

They don't sell at a loss to other countries

 

All these claims about how wonderful healthcare is in other countries with their "free healthcare" or claims of lower cost when those systems are imploding and facing huge cost increases and huge tax increases to fund while they turn more and more to the private sector. And your plan will fundimentally eliminate Medicare.



Private Health Insurance Coverage In Canada Needs A Review

"Canadians must insure or pay out-of-pocket a whopping 30 per cent of health costs with only around 70 per cent covered by our publicly funded health system.

Private health-care costs in Canada have grown dramatically over the last 40 years. Adjusting for population growth and inflation, private health care costs have increased by over 220 per cent on average since 1975 -- or around $1,800 per person. That's no small figure for most Canadian families.

What's driving up the cost? Some of this increase is due to overall aging of the population but most is due to increased costs for health services as well as expanded use and availability of services. Drug costs over the years have increased dramatically, and may continue to do so with the emerging use of personalized medicine and drugs for rare conditions.

For those unemployed, under-employed or self-employed, purchasing individual private health plans for their families is the only option.

In fact, Canada is one of few countries in the world with a universal health system that doesn't include prescription drug coverage as a medically-necessary benefit. Some health policy experts have been calling on the federal government to increase publicly funded health coverage by establishing a national pharmacare program. This is currently being discussed at both federal and provincial levels.

In the meantime, many Canadians rely on private insurance to help with the 30 per cent of health needs not covered by our public health system.

For many, the private health care component is provided through group insurance at their place of work. Families lose this coverage if laid off -- or don't have it in the first place if they work on contract or part-time.

Some insurers do offer limited coverage to those who recently lost their jobs (within the last 60 days) without having to provide medical evidence; however, maximum annual benefits are typically very limited compared to their previous plans.

For those unemployed, under-employed or self-employed, purchasing individual private health plans for their families is the only option. But to be eligible for individual coverage, medical evidence of good health must be provided to the insurer, and anyone in the family with a pre-existing medical condition may be offered only limited coverage or even denied coverage completely.

The alternative is for Canadians to pay out-of-pocket for private health expenses or forego some health services altogether because they can't afford them."
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/john-have/private-health-insurance-canada_b_12032150.html

 

And lets codify that along with price equalizers.

 

Go for it

But why should I pay more because America cannot organise its own ****?

 

Sooooo, you are complaining about a system you benefit from?

 

As if Medicare isn't worse about making the determination of what doctors can and cannot treat........

 

Unlike insurance companies that deny payments

 

You need a lesson.
I asked for a web site link not for you to cite bogus opinions. I did not ask you to cite anything. I asked for a web site link.

 

Don’t keep saying you are FORCED to take Medicare. You can refuse to take or pay for it on religious grounds

 

I noticed you only focused on Canada. Canada is one of the worse healthcare systems in the developed world and isn't ranked that much above us. So its unfair to generalize universal healthcare by only looking at Canada. Canada has a very private system, far more than most other countries, and hasn't managed it very well. This proves that just having a universal healthcare system isn't enough and we need a smart effective system as well.

You say that the cost of healthcare in Canada has risen a lot since 1970. We have seen this in every country in the developed world and even more in the US. This is because these countries have an aging population, rising obesity rates, and new expensive drugs and technology. Healthcare costs in Canada may be expensive and rising, but in the US they have risen a lot more since 1975 and cost more than twice as much. Support for a public system is 86% in Canada and even their conservative party supports it, and their system costs far less than the US despite the cost increases. They don't think moving to America's horrible private system is the answer, they want to make their system more like those in more efficient counties.