Man Crawls Across Thin Ice To Rescue His Pet Dog - Labeled 'Foolish'

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  1. kronikcope

    kronikcope Active Member

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    As long as their illogical decisions and behavior puts no one else in harms way, I don't.
     
  2. Unifier

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    Are you sure about that? Or are you just hiding behind your own cowardice? I'm not trying to attack you here, but I see a lot of fear hiding behind your judgment and condescension. A lack of confidence in your ability to perform the task adequately and return with your own life. The truth of the matter is this. In an incident like that, you make a split second decision. You do not have time to sit around and philosophically weigh the merits of your life vs. your dog's life. You just act. And what you do in that reflexive instant speaks volumes about what kind of person you are. About your character. About what you would do if you had to save someone close to you.
     
  3. DA60

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    The fact you have more posts in this thread then all but one person strongly suggests otherwise.
     
  4. Viv

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    :D:judge:...I get it. But you know, I'm still thinking of ways you could actually rescue a dog in that situation, because it could happen to any of us at any time really. And shooting the ice as a last desperate measure, might have worked. Shooting to break up the ice, might have given him a path to get in close enough to be safely hauled out.

    You know. Unless you shot the dog by mistake :D

    Does anyone have any actual practical alternatives which could be applied in those circumstances, instead of taking a header into the water?
     
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    LMAO...my extended family has Newfoundlands and they could probably swim about in the water until the ice melted and not give a hoot. But the tow rope is what I am trying to get at. By all means save the dog, but there is probably a way to do it without killing yourself if you think a bit. Dogs rely on humans to do that bit of thinking. The human bit of thinking (and therefore potential for maximised survival) is probably why dogs tied their fate to humans in the first place.

    Evidence is that many people do as you think you would (although you have not been tested) as instinct comes into play. I don't think that is mental illness, although it often makes no sense if viewed objectively.
     
  6. kronikcope

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    Not at all, you're seeing how a rational adult has prioritized their life against that of an animal. A animal is just that to me - it's not my kid like Ive repeatedly seen in this thread. I don't snuggle up with one at night, dress one up in cute little sweaters or talk baby talk to them to compinsate for a lack of actual human interaction and affection. Again, it's just a animal to me.

    And for the record, don't get into a dick measuring competition with me over cowardice, ability to perform a task, etc. Its just silly, you don't know me, and if you did a highly doubt you would be making such a comment.
     
  7. GeneralZod

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    If deleting posts.

    Delete the ones calling (including mods) mentally ill for simply loving their pets.

    I dont mind having my posts gone, if the original trollers are also put in the chat bin.
     
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    Ya, I agree with everything you are saying. That doesn't mean on a rational level I believe the life of my dog is more important than the life of a human being. I know on a rational level that the person who would be tasked with saving me probably has a family that loves him, who value him a great deal. However, in the moment all that would be thrown out the window. On an emotional level(something Kronik seems to nonsensically be dismissing), my dog means much, much, much more to me than the rescue team. I would go in without hesitation(without thinking as well). Expecting rational behavior in such a moment, is itself irrational. Emotion controls human behavior as much, if not more than rationality. In a situation like that, emotion definitely means more!! People won't sit back and do a cost benefit analysis of the risks vs the rewards. They will react to the fact that they love their dogs, and it is that simple!!


    PS. Our dogs are worth a lot more to us than they are to anyone else. My dog may be worth about $500 to others, but to me she is worth much more than that!! If some one offered me $10,000 for the dog, I wouldn't say "I can buy a new dog, and other stuff with that." I would just say no. I suppose their would be a price I would be willing to accept, but it is a price no one else would ever be willing to pay, because as I said, my dog is worth a lot more to me than to anyone else!!
     
  9. Jango

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    Even though I can't swim, I would belly-crawl across thin ice to save my dog, absolutely. No doubt about it. He's saved my life before, so I believe I am more than entitled to save his. (I would anyway!)
     
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    That's my opinion as well. If he was a healthy man, and had a way to get to a warm shelter within a few minutes, what he did wasn't that risky. At the minimum we know there were observers (the photographer).
     
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    This echos exactly what I was thinking, and I really don't have anything to add to it.

    When it's someone you care about, what may appears foolish to those outside the relationship is irrelevant, especially in a case of trying to save a life.

    And I say this while not really liking dogs the slightest bit.
     
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    I give the guy credit for having alot of balls any one that has had a dog knows how deep the closeness and love is, I would have to try and save my dog, I could not watch him die without doing my damnedest
     
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    Yeah I agree - as long as the situation is not completely hopeless I would try as well. Was the guy foolish...you bet. Was it a stupid thing to do...again you bet. But it was his *******n dog.....Thats all that really matters
     
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    The rescue attempt wasn't foolish. What's foolish is him letting his dog fall into the lake in the first place.

    You've got a good five minutes before you freeze. It's only a risk if you can't swim.
     
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    it's nice to know England has one Englishman left.
     
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    My family's dog is lazy, stupid, spoiled, and doesn't even like me. I would let it drown.
     
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    Probably not impulse, he had the forethought to take his heavy jacket and clothes off.
    For the record, I would not do that just for my own dog but any dog.
    Dogs are better people than most people.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I would let you drown too.
     
  18. Unifier

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    You're a bad person. Go ahead and ban me for that. I don't really care. It needs to be said.
     
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    If there was a good chance that you would die risking your life trying to save a dog which one of your relative owns which (*)(*)(*)(*)s an pisses in your house all the time and which you consider a nuisance would you risk your life trying to save it? In the video the man had a high chance of dieing by being stuck under the ice, I am a bad swimmer and in the same situation there is a 95% that I would die if I was in the same situation as the man in the video. If I could save the dog I would save it, but if I was in the same circumstances as the man in the video I would let it drown. I would careless if I was considered a bad person for making that decision. What would you do if you sucked at swimming and there was an extremely high chance that you would die trying to save someone elses dog that always pooped in your house?
     
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    The dog, save it and house train it. You, not so much.
     
  21. Unifier

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    But you don't care about the health risks to yourself. Those are really not relevant to your decision. Your post betrays that your only reason for letting the dog drown is because you don't like it. Making you a bad person. Ironic too considering the wolf in your avatar.
     
  22. DeskFan

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    whats story is this thread on? I wonder....

    Would you do this for someone else dog if you could barely swim? Yes or No?

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    I can't say I would have done the same thing but I definitely would have been trying to do something to save my pet, or panicking to say the least.
     
  24. Makedde

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    I am not a strong swimmer and chances are I would drown in that icy water. But I'd be damned if I was going to watch my beloved pet drown knowing I did nothing to save it.
     

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