Man jailed for racist internet posts.

what is your view?

I know a bunch died in ww2 but ww2 was not only about jews.

That is the hoax of the rendition. I could care less how simple your mind is.

 

Obviously right-thinking people are those who wouldn't call for others to be killed just because they happen to attend a different church.

You may want to see such as an opinion that should be protected under the right for freedom of speech. People who've actually experienced sectarian violence are prone to see it as an incitement for criminal acts, and their fears that it may lead to such are likely to be justified.

I agree that the freedom of speech is always the freedom of the person who thinks differently than I do. But when this freedom is in conflict with other people's vested interest in physical safety I can understand it when the latter value is put above the former.

 

All sensible people understand the meaning of 'right-thinking people' in the context in which it was used. It ain't rocket science. The First Amendment emphasizes unconditional freedom as the bedrock of US society. Many of us Europeans think that is an odd philosophical outlook...I'm one of them.

 

Denying the jewish rendition is the hoax.

And the laws that require a person to view ww2 as purely a jewish atrocity, can go where the sun dont shine.

I would never deny the deaths of human beings, i deny the idea that memorials and reparations are for one group of religious adherants.

what is sick about it, is the jewish people of germany declared war on germany before ww2 ever started and that is in recorded history (1933).

but people dont get to see much of the whole story because of hypocrits, bigots and idiots

this thread is one another example of the lack of compassionate observance to the whole picture. A man was making threats against the a cult and yet 'we' do not know if he was perhaps a pedophilia victim from that cult or what happened to that person to cause him to state violence against them.

For example; i post compassion and sorrow for the victims of ww2 but because i post holohoax, clearly because i know 60-70 million approximately died in ww2 and judaic adherants want their recognition over any others, is where I WILL NOT GO...... i aint giving pity to self centered pigs that place it into law that i must give them condolences for being victims.

Victims deserve credibility just for being unjustly imposed against but when i find that the jews of germany declared war on their own state before ww2 even came about................. then i aint considering them innocent by any means

Kind of like israel, aint innocent of atrocities by any measure!!!!!!

 

People can deny the Holocaust if they like. Doesn't matter if you are offended, its their opinion. Of course, it would depend on how they were to verbalise that denial.

I don't agree with jailing this man. He made a few posts on Facebook about Catholics and a few people were offended. Maybe the judge should check out some of the posts I make on Twitter because I'm pretty sure he/she might like to throw me in jail...

 

Um, no. To be honest, if we threw everyone in jail that committed this "offense", we'd have about double our current incarceration rate, and this forum would be almost empty.

 

While these are good points, the laws against inciting violence are at least harder to abuse than a blanket law against racist remarks.

 

It sounds like they're definitely milking the situation...

 

This is true, and, no offense, it would be boring discussing politics just with you since I don't disagree with you on much, assuming that I didn't also violate some law about saying something that offended someone for some reason.

 

That's allowed as well, but as Bow mentioned, the public might uh... make you well acquainted with the business end of a baseball bat.

 

Oh, I'd be in jail too, but probably for calling someone an idiot. lol

 

And if they don't then they aren't sensible people right? At least not according to "right thinking people" like yourself.

 

Not in Germany. They have restrictions of free speech over there.

Don't get me wrong I think anyone who denies the Holocaust is a moron and should be ignored. But to make a law against it, (*)(*)(*)(*). That's what they did in Germany.

 

Book banning is pretty ridiculous, but the only reason it even happens is because it's left up to local governments. If we applied federal law to this realm, we wouldn't have anymore bannings, but we'd probably have a lot of additional law enforcement costs.

I agree with the general sentiment of what you're saying though.

It's also worth noting that book bannings don't usually occur in public libraries -- they're more commonly applied to school libraries when some conservative parent gets his/her panties in a wad about something. Some liberal parents do the same out of political correctness.

 

To be fair, the Allied Powers forced the law on them. The Germans have just decided to hold onto it since then.

 

Its a dumb law. You should be able to say whether you believe it happened, and not be in fear of being sent to prison.

 

My view is irrelevant as that is not the topic of this thread. Let's stick to it, shall we? And I'll ignore your cheap little snipe.

 

The alternative is having a bunch of people who don't even know you determine how you may express yourself. Man yearns to be free. But with freedom comes responsibility so maybe it is easier to just sit back and let someone else make all the tough decisions for you.

 

Hoax isn't the appropriate word. Basically, what it comes down to is that Jews were the largest group targeted. More Jews died in concentration camps than any other group.

Granted, it is rather annoying that they have monopolized quite a bit of the discussion of the camps. We should pay more attention to the other groups that suffered as well, like the Gypsies, homosexuals, and political dissidents.

 

Actually, it's very unhealthy to continually attack Iran. I look forward to your diagnosis of such rhetoric.

 

Double your current incarceration rate? But the Land of the Free already has more people behind bars than any other country in the world, over two million people, 738 for every 100,000 head of population. They are way ahead of China in second place who have a million and a half people in prison, just 118 per 100,000 head of population.

Scotland has a per capita rate of 139 prisoners so I guess they must be doing something right.

 

The official definition provided by the US government is:

I believe in this particular case a prosecution could have been brought under American law.

 

Of course "hoax" is the wrong word if you are claiming the holocaust occurred and want to be inclusive of all persons killed. Bishadi is back tracking mightily.

BTW denial of any deaths related to the war is illegal in Germany, not exclusively jewish deaths.

In fact EU law prohibits denail of any genocide - not specifically jewish, so you have to wonder why no one is decrying free speech there.

 

Is that a trick question?

 

The laws don't do that except in your imagination. You should do some reading up on what the laws actually say.

I'll help you by translating para 3 below (which applies specifically to WWII - the rest of the laws generally apply). It says:
With a sentence of up to 5 years or a fine, a person is punishable who denies what was done under the nazis's control in accordance with section 6 para 1 of the Volkerstrafgesetzbuches, in a way that is intended to disturb the peace, and which publically denies, minimizes or endorses same.

NO MENTION OF JEWS OR THE LIKE - IT IS YOUR OBSESSION - NOT OURS
§ 130 Strafgesetzbuch: Volksverhetzung (1985, Ergänzungen 1992, 2002 and 2005)
(1) Wer in einer Weise, die geeignet ist, den öffentlichen Frieden zu stören, 1. zum Haß gegen Teile der Bevölkerung aufstachelt oder zu Gewalt- oder Willkürmaßnahmen gegen sie auffordert oder 2. die Menschenwürde anderer dadurch angreift, daß er Teile der Bevölkerung beschimpft, böswillig verächtlich macht oder verleumdet, wird mit Freiheitsstrafe von drei Monaten bis zu fünf Jahren bestraft. (&#8230

(3) Mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu fünf Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe wird bestraft, wer eine unter der Herrschaft des Nationalsozialismus begangene Handlung der in § 6 Abs. 1 des Völkerstrafgesetzbuches bezeichneten Art in einer Weise, die geeignet ist, den öffentlichen Frieden zu stören, öffentlich oder in einer Versammlung billigt, leugnet oder verharmlost.(4) Mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu drei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe wird bestraft, wer öffentlich oder in einer Versammlung den öffentlichen Frieden in einer die Würde der Opfer verletzenden Weise dadurch stört, dass er die nationalsozialistische Gewalt- und Willkürherrschaft billigt, verherrlicht oder rechtfertigt. (&#8230

§ 189 Strafgesetzbuch: Verunglimpfung des Andenkens Verstorbener (1985, ergänzt 1992)

Wer das Andenken eines Verstorbenen verunglimpft, wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu zwei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft.

§ 194 Strafgesetzbuch: Strafantrag

(1) Die Beleidigung wird nur auf Antrag verfolgt. Ist die Tat durch Verbreiten oder öffentliches Zugänglichmachen einer Schrift (§ 11 Abs. 3), in einer Versammlung oder durch eine Darbietung im Rundfunk begangen, so ist ein Antrag nicht erforderlich, wenn der Verletzte als Angehöriger einer Gruppe unter der nationalsozialistischen oder einer anderen Gewalt- und Willkürherrschaft verfolgt wurde, diese Gruppe Teil der Bevölkerung ist und die Beleidigung mit dieser Verfolgung zusammenhängt. Die Tat kann jedoch nicht von Amts wegen verfolgt werden, wenn der Verletzte widerspricht. Der Widerspruch kann nicht zurückgenommen werden. Stirbt der Verletzte, so gehen das Antragsrecht und das Widerspruchsrecht auf die in § 77 Abs. 2 bezeichneten Angehörigen über.

(2) Ist das Andenken eines Verstorbenen verunglimpft, so steht das Antragsrecht den in § 77 Abs. 2 bezeichneten Angehörigen zu. Ist die Tat durch Verbreiten oder öffentliches Zugänglichmachen einer Schrift (§ 11 Abs. 3), in einer Versammlung oder durch eine Darbietung im Rundfunk begangen, so ist ein Antrag nicht erforderlich, wenn der Verstorbene sein Leben als Opfer der nationalsozialistischen oder einer anderen Gewalt- und Willkürherrschaft verloren hat und die Verunglimpfung damit zusammenhängt. Die Tat kann jedoch nicht von Amts wegen verfolgt werden, wenn ein Antragsberechtigter der Verfolgung widerspricht. Der Widerspruch kann nicht zurückgenommen werden. (&#8230

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesetze_gegen_Holocaustleugnung