Does his "struggle to bring about change of greater inclusion through peaceful means and dialogue" include the beating, rape, mutilation and murder of over 3000 white farmers and their families since he took over?: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-African-farmers-fearing-for-their-lives.html
There's some irony in there somewhere. The fact that humans came out of Africa and then took over nearly all of the planet, adapting all the while, might be worth noting. But don't let the trog ignorance get to you, just think of it as a target rich environment. - - - Updated - - - The Founding Fathers of the United States knew that if they failed in their insurrection that they would have been hanged for treason. They took a risk and won, good for them. Mandela fared far worse then the Founders but in the end he won.
Ever heard that old cliche about necessity being the mother of invention? How would any of us on this forum go if we were dropped in the middle of the desert in Namibia without food or water? As for Zimbabwe and Haiti. Fair points, now are the causes down to skin colour or the behaviour of dictators?
I believe Truman actually said, "if you can't stand the stink, get out of the toilet", but then he was talking about politics. - - - Updated - - - Are you implying that Mandela caused these events?
I would think that "necessity" would include feeding oneself and your family.......the blacks in Zimbabwe didn't find that "necessity" to be the "mother of any invention".......instead they choose to rape and murder the white farmers who fed them.......and drive them off their incredibly productive farms......and turn them into fallow nothingness.....so much for "invention" and "necessity".......and, yes, Haiti is another shining example of what happens when you kill off all the white people and install black "governance"........they have had a couple of hundred years to get it right to no avail. What once was the most productive French colony in the New World has been, for the past 200 years, the poorest outpost in the Western Hemisphere.......just the facts.
Mandela represented a transitional stage of power transfer. Nevertheless, he signed agreements that were to shape the course of new south africa then and forever. Whether the subsequent s. Africa's governments will abide by those guidelines or treat Mandela as a mere transitional puppet and instead give in to notions such as 'kill the boer' should be interesting to follow.
Please link me to any quote from Mandela or speech where he was outraged by the beatings, rape, mutilation and murder of the Boer farmers.......I'll be waiting.......in your Google search you will probably find him singing about "kill the Boers" a good bit......please try to just ignore those videos as it might cause a ***** in your world view and a loss of sleep.....and we don't want that.
No you don't know how ideas piggyback off of other ideas apparently. Just like without the Phoenicians There would be no European languages because you use their alphabet. Not to mention the countless other things you've gotten from Ancient Black Egypt. PUHLEAZE with your Eurocentric world view your killing me, too funny.
More than 3000 Boer farmers and their families were killed under Mandela......and he said nothing......he didn't abide by any guidelines about killing the Boers. And his wife was really charming with the "necklacing" killings of other blacks......truely a wonderful, humanitarian couple to be revered by all..........geez.
Yep, we Europeans were all living in caves while great civilizations sprang up in Sub-Saharan Africa......LMAO.....I've heard this tripe before a thousand times.......funny thing is.....we can't find any evidence of these great civilizations in Sub-Saharan Africa.......but I can go visit St. Paul's Cathedral......and Notre Dame......and the Vatican.......and a thousand other great architectural achievements in Europe.......yet the Africans didn't even have the wheel when we showed up......LOL
Isn't that like thinking a bull won't gauge you because you're a vegetarian??? I mean after-all we were just savages right???
Moreover, it remains a fact that Mandela was handed down power from the position of considerable strength rather than outright weakness of the apartheid govt. Their prior opposition to holding free elections was of course hardened by bitter experiences from congo to zimbabwe when elections were always held only once and thereafter rule would always revert under repressive dictatorships.
That's a good lesson for everyone. If you treat a group of people like crap don't expect them to be nice to you when they get the upper hand. They are going to crap on you just like you crapped on them, if not worse. The white South Africans had a system that they could not maintain. They should have realized that and brought the blacks into the system while they had a chance. If they had they could have avoided a lot of problems. They were probably taking their cues from America's Jim Crow system. They are paying the price.
Haiti is poor because of white racism. The white politicians and businessmen are still ticked off that a group of black slaves revolted against them and beat them. It might be another 2,000 years before they stop hating that. Pat Robertson is still pissed.
Africa is currently made up of 55 countries and has NEVER been one country. If you've never heard of the Dogon,The Ghanian Empire, Kush, Meroe, Great Zimbabwe or Timbuktu you are not half as informed as you think. Denial, Delusion, Deceit and Derail are the FOUR greatest "rivers" in that MYTHICAL land called WHITENESS, The ways of whiteness says so -- but most whites in America looking through their racial frame can't see or admit this truth, even if it was literally written plainly on their face. The people who created anthropology and Egyptology were products of their times, White Supremacists. How did the US, Australia,Canada and New Zealand become White majorities??? If you know the answer to this question then you will understand why the Africans are now the minority in present Egypt and all of North Africa. How did the Greeks and Romans get replaced by present Egyptians??? History records their invasions and those of the Arab invaders that preceded them. Also the AEgyptians tell us they came from the South (African Interior) not North (Europe) or East (Asia). Perhaps you'd like to hear it from a White man may I suggest you watch "Black Genesis" on Youtube with the Robert Bauval interview. And checkout his biography as well...He is of Egyptian nationality but his ethnicity is European Belgium !! GDAY!!!
Right but the savages welcomed the "civilized" men, and what fate befell them at the hands of the "civilized ones"??? Do tell...I won't hold my breath. I tell you Global Warming is NOTHING compared to Global Whitening, it's good for Whites but so BAD for people of color.
Back to south africa, that country should be handed down to ancient local tribes like mandela's xhosa, while all the whites and the majority of current black south africans who descended from african outsiders who migrated to s africa during the boer and the british rule becaused they liked it better there despite the apartheid, should take off.
Mandela is complicated. Both a good, and a bad man. During the war against the apartheid government both sides killed civilians, yet Mandela, despite his questionable, and sometimes downright dirty tactics, was fighting for the right reasons. The ability for the people of the SA to choose their own destiny. The apartheid government was fighting to continue an outdated and disgusting system that should have died out decades earlier.
Mandela had the Comintern and the western Establishment backing him. If it weren't Mandela, it would have some other useless tool... Mandela was, and is, a nobody - he became what the western elites created of him. Same story with all communists. Lenin came to power with the backing of German bankers (leftist professors try to provide them cover by claiming the backing was solely to rid themselves of the eastern front, but that doesn't hold water), and was supported by the American Establishment; whenever Stalin ran into trouble, it was the western Establishment that bailed him out with U.S. taxpayer dollars and material support; Mao came to power when the U.S. State Dept continually undermined and betrayed Chiang Kai-Shek, and of course the central bankers provided financial support. And so it goes with international communism to this day. Mandela owes his status solely to the western Establishment. For my money, he should be necklaced they way he necklaced his enemies.
No, my comment was directed at your attitude towards race, your constant need to denigrate blacks , and your use of racially derogatory rhetoric.
I understand your view. To say that Africa is uncivilized or incapable of being civilized is flawed to say the least. I don't think that they were ready for the European brand of civilization or to put it in a better way ours was incompatible with theirs.
Hey finally someone is answering the question. Another revolution. Well it does seem as if they are in need. I mean the economy could be better which has spawned all the other everyday issues of SA e.g. crime. I think that post-Apartheid has created a culture that sees the white SA's as having to pay a great debt to the Blacks of SA. While it's understandable I don't think that it's constructive to the future of SA. It's a culture that has to change to one of unity between fellow SA's
From what I've read the state did not seem to be killing black people before the formation of Umkhonto We SIzewe. With the exception of Sharpeville which seemed to of been a panicked response rather than the execution of government policy. Prior to that there had been discriminatory actions in the form of voter rights being rescinded and relocation's. But is that enough to justify violence though?
I don't think he was much of a communist. I mean he was locked for pretty much the whole of the cold war. And when he was released in 1990 the USSR was finished.
