Mark Levin: It's the most outrageous political scam in history

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  1. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What really used to piss me off was bootlicker deluxe Sean Hannity calling that little pipsqueak “The Great One”...In my lifetime there have been 3 guys who were justifiably tagged as The Great One.

    1) In TV and comedy the great: Jackie Gleason

    2) In Baseball the great: Roberto Clemente, so deemed by the great Vin Scully

    3) In Hockey, The Great: Wayne Gretzky.

    Whiney little Mark Levin sure as hell does not belong in any list with those 3 guys.
     
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    Sean Vannity is one useless excuse for a human being because he is so full of Schiest that it is ooozing out of his ears.
     
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    Yeah, Levin's use of that term is pretty laughable.

    It would be like me telling chicks that my willie's nickname is "The Great One". It would be good for a few laughs, I guess.
     
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    IMO, as societies evolved, they also became increasingly complex. Out of that complexity, came a formal system of "knowledge" and the ability to write histories of that knowledge. Those histories enabled us to move beyond "personal experience." I am not an astronaut, but I accept "the fact" that we went to the Moon and it wasn't something staged in Arizona. Of course, the problem of sorting the wheat from the chaff remains. Do you believe the person who DOES believe our Moon landing was filmed in Arizona? Or, do you take the word of the astronauts, teachers, the media, interviews, et al that we actually made the trip ourselves to the actual lunar surface? As another example, I tend to believe the overwhelming consensus of the global scientific community that the planet is getting warmer and that we are contributing to that warming primarily through fossil fuels.
    But, the principal advantage of "knowledge," via personal experience or a through a formalized method, is that it leads to the enhancement of our ability to predict, which has been the key to our ability to adapt and, which in turn, leads to our survival as a species. That is an "existential issue." Levin seems "bright," but extraordinarily dogmatic and with his background in "political science," frankly the "science" doesn't justify the dogmatism...yet.
     
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    Aw the Trump supporter who dares not talk about what Trump actually does and says. Instead you come up with B.S. like this.

    "Steele, the person credited with the dossier- didn't create it. A viable outsider name was needed to introduce it into the media- and he was chosen for that purpose." Source? Substantiation? Link?

    I love how Trumpets just make these outrageous statements with no source and expect others to believe them.
     
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    Source? Substantiation? Link?

    I love how Trumpets just make these outrageous statements with no source and expect others to believe them.
     
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  7. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And I think you should use a little common sense and follow the logic instead of a double standard of thinking..
    If Trump had pulled this trick, you would already have him hung.
     
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    What double standard are you talking about?

    You say this like a criticism, yet it describes exactly what you are doing.

    Own goals are always fun to watch.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Playing dumb?
    You know exactly what the double standards are. It's not possible to have a logical discussion with a leftie, because they invariably evade facts, truth and common sense.
    At a time when I was doing growth seminars, I was asked to talk with a group of kids in a detention center. now I also had done several for drug addicts in recovery. The drug people were pretty quick and realistic- but talking to the trouble kids was like talking to doorknobs. Like the left, they just weren't interested in anything but themselves.

    If that is the best you can do- you have nothing of interest to say to me.
     
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    Seriously, I’m just asking you to substantiate your claims.

    I asked what evidence you had that Steele didn’t compile the dossier. You provided a link that fails to prove that point.

    Look back over my posts. That’s all I asked you for.

    Then you said I would immediately convict Trump if the situation were reversed. An unverifiable claim to begin with, and also one that would make no sense if you knew me. I’m generally the person on this site saying we need to wait for more information and not jump to conclusions. But it’s especially funny in this case, because it essentially acknowledges that you are jumping to premature conviction.

    If that somehow bothers you, I think the problem is you, not me.
     
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    More accurately...
    ...a handful of internet leftards says otherwise.
    Actually Levin often invites leftists on his show, and invited Bernie Sanders on his Fox show around the time it began. Of course they next to never accept, the overwhelming majority knowing they'd end up in a fetal position, crying like little girls.
    Don't kid yerself: thinking like that for a leftist is like a shot of heroin for a junkie. If they were ever to stop thinking like that, that's when they'd feel the pain of withdrawal.
    No, there are no liberals in talk radio because commonsensical people find them boring as hell - so they go on CNN and assure each other that commonsensical people are untermenschen.
    Yeah, for about a day and a half.
    Well duh. He got it from Jackie Gleason, who, like Levin, used it as backhanded self-deprecating humor.
     
  12. spiritgide

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    Knowledge is almost useless- without the wisdom and skill to apply it. Charles Kettering quote below-
    "Knowledge and understanding are not the same thing. You can know a great deal, and understand nothing."

    Invariably, the expert layman fits that description. He ASSUMES the extent and quality of his knowledge allows him to move beyond personal experience.

    Recently we had a 17 year old from the Florida school shoot, David Hogg, demonstrate it well. He was getting all kinds of media coverage as a young person with wisdom and foresight. He was however, being coached along by those who wanted to use him for political gains. Then, he did an interview with a radio show on his own- and demonstrated just how wise he was. This is one of his statements:

    "When your old-ass parent is like, ‘I don’t know how to send an iMessage,’ and you’re just like, ‘Give me the ****ing phone and let me handle it.’ Sadly, that’s what we have to do with our government; our parents don’t know how to use a ****ing democracy, so we have to."

    Riding high on the publicity, he also announced that he was going to run for congress as soon as he was old enough.
    Several colleges turned the kid's applications down- and the MSM was outraged, calling the college people idiots.
    You can see more on this jackass the left paraded around as an example of the brilliant new minds here:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v..._to_use_a_fcking_democracy_so_we_have_to.html

    A lot of the left today is acting just like David Hogg. Arrogantly hanging trash- but no substance at all.

    By the way, sorting the chaff from the wheat is a process with tangible components. A great deal of politics is intangible BS, put out there to smear people and create trouble in the hopes of stealing positions of power. It's a lot harder to sort out, and requires you have what is known as the capacity of Critical Thinking- and that is not something you learn to do without life experiences. Training the mind to be a precision instrument is something too few people do- and just as picking up a scalpel does not make you a surgeon, having ideas that lack real-world tangibility does not make you a person capable of understanding how life works. Arm-chair expertise from the un-accomplished is worthless.
     
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    Yer sad sack FACTS suck Pal.Not only are they craven and
    waterlogged but don't add up let alone make sense.
    Typical democrat rehearsal ever since Trump was elected.
     
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    Granted, the article does not specifically say "Steele did not write the dossier". Now I realize you want to take the absence of that statement as proof he didn't, but of course that is not proven either. The article deals with statements by Glen Simpsons wife, in which she claims Simpson is responsible for the dossier. Given all the facts we do know about the entire mess, including the people behind the whole scheme and the way it's been played- I think you have to be very naive to believe that Steele was anything more than the front man, used as a way to expose the dossier without killing any credibility on the spot. All the dots fit the picture. Now you can deny that, and of course the left that is behind this will. I think that makes them look either ignorant, which I don't believe, or totally without scruples- which I have no doubt is true.

    Now it's possible you would not convict Trump personally under reversed circumstances. Are you willing to say that the would be saying- "How do we know he did that?" I know you are smart enough to have no doubt of their position. I don't know if your own moral compass allows you to deny it personally.

    But you decide for yourself, so you can be happy about it.
     
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    Hmmm...as much as Hogg might want you to, I wouldn't conclude he speaks for his generation. On the "flip side," so to speak, I've often run into successful older people whose mastery of one particular subject matter or a particular business leads them to conclude that they are experts in other areas, in which they have very little experience or knowledge. While I am a firm believer in hard work and effort leading to success, I also realize that success may often be random and due to pure chance.
     
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    She said (paraphrasing) “my husband is responsible for the dossier. He hired Steele.”

    I think the most reasonable interpretation of that is “my husband hired Steele to compile the dossier.” Especially because that is what everyone involved has said all along.

    You think the most reasonable interpretation is “My husband compiled the dossier, and hired Steele as a front man.”

    No offense, but I think your interpretation only makes sense in conspiracy land. Especially because Steele was the one with the contacts in Russia and the intelligence community, not the Fusion GPS guy.
     
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    It doesn't matter anymore. Mueller tried to make it work, but it didn't.

    the Steele dossier is a POS that the democrats tried to use to bring down Trump, and it didn't work.

    Now we're supposed to care about an anonymous source that said he heard from somebody else that Trump asked the Ukrainian prez to.... umm... investigate something (all legal mind you), and the democrats are howling at the moon because their superiors know that what is happening is a look at Biden and his illegal bribery using funds paid for by tax payers to help Ukraine, and that Obama was in on the corruption.
     
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    Great post.
     
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    I'm no much of a believer in pure chance. You do find random opportunities, for sure- but being able to make something big out of them does not happen by chance. For the most part, coming across opportunities requires an ability to seek them out, a vision that lets you see what others miss- and it is usually in plain sight. I fully agree that people often have excellent skills in one area and assume that they are therefore competent in others. Seen that many times; try to avoid doing business with or having relationships with such people. I am a person with many unusual skills- but there are also areas where I seem to be dumb as a stump. A wise man knows what he does not know or is not suited to do, and hires someone who is to do it for them.
     
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    I think you fail to take into consideration that the entire project seems to be a political attack on Trump, and engineering that is what Fusion GPS was hired to do. Suggest you watch that entire Levin/Bongino interview- it also covers where the Russian links came from and again- it wasn't Steele. He has some connections, but the info used came from other channels. It's also in a book by Bongino.

    When you look for a "reasonable interpretation", you have to consider all the circumstances and motivations of those involved, because it is their "reasonable", and not yours- that determined the actions. You've got to put yourself in their place, in their frame of mind, and ask yourself how they would have been thinking and what they would have chosen to do. It's like putting the parts of a picture puzzle together in your mind. When you come up with a picture where all the parts fit and make the picture complete- you probably have exactly the right answer. For example, Fusion had strong motivation to create such a document; Steele- very little. That's one of many considerations that say it's unlikely that Fusion GPS just blundered into Steele's work and used it, and far more likely that they engineered it and used Steele.

    The dossier was written between June 2016 and December 2016. Fusion GPS hired Steele in June 2016, which would say that to whatever extent Steele contributed to the dossier, it was done under the supervision of Fusion GPS. It would again seem doubtful that under those conditions, assuming Steele actually did the writing- that Fusion would not have been telling Steele what to write. If you tell someone what to write.... they become your scribe, but not the author. This is a very intricate document, contrived to be as bulletproof as possible. From what I find- Steele isn't smart enough to cover all the bases required to do that.

    And this certainly is an element of conspiracy, a contrived effort to do great political damage to an opponent involving a fabrication, misdirection, shadowy allegations. A great many people participated in it- and that is precisely the definition of a conspiracy. That doesn't make it too exceptional as political plots are nothing new. What makes this one exceptional is the magnitude of it, the degree of malice driving it, and the unprecedented level of immorality used to execute it.

    Now some more definitive proof may or may not come out as the current investigations continue. Neither answer excuses the scam, it's just a question of whose coffin gets the nail. Watergate and the "plumbers" that were Nixon's underground crooks hardly hold a candle to this one.
     
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    What trick?
     
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    If you weren't hiding behind a fact-filter to protect you from uncomfortable truth, you wouldn't need to ask.
     
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    He doesn't do comedy.
    He doesn't play baseball.
    He doesn't play hockey.
    In those fields, all your choices were great players.

    However in the game Levin plays in- none of them would be great players.
    In the game he plays, he excels in his art just as your favorites did in theirs- and is tops in his field.
    Excellence always pisses the left off, even among their own. Hard to figure.
     
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    3rd rate Limbaugh wannabe.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are entitled to your opinion, just as Moe, Curly and the Sta-puf marshmallow man are.
    You might try actually watching his show once. Absolutely nothing like Limbaugh.
     

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