Masks Make You Sick, Not Protect You

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  1. GrayMan

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    Actually grandma and grandma and parents sacrificed the future of their children so that they maybe-maybe can get a few more years on this earth.

    The cost to our children has been astronomical including depression suicide, learning disorders, health and their economic future. Parents and grandparents should be ashamed.
     
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    joyce martino Well-Known Member

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    Shame on the govt and pharma and FDA....
     
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    They've moved to my closet years ago.
     
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    Dinosaurs are tough.
     
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    Show that these people would have been saved by wearing a doctor costume.
     
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    Which is scare the hell out of you more than anything about this entire pandemic as if someone with your extreme ideology were to ever assume power.

    So youd load them all up on the cattle cars would you?
     
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    Yes, he would. How very "tolerant" and "loving" and full of "diversity" leftists are, eh? ;)
     
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    I can’t believe that people are so dumb-down and brainwashed that they can’t see the obvious “con” being played out right in front of their own eyes.

    I give the CIA a lot of credit as they got at least one thing right since their inception.

    Eighty five percent of the global population on average can easily be brainwashed when people in authoritative positions are telling them the BIG Lie.
     
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    All the worlds sadistic megalomaniacs in the 20th Century—-> “Stalin, Hitler, Pol-Pot, Chairman Mao,” were hardcore leftists.

    So the poisonous leftist apples never, ever, fall far from their genocide trees
     
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    Navy, I have so many friends in my circle, it's getting smaller due to aging, and so many are so stuck in the Dem life...that's so true I'm sure of the Deep Blue CA state, but there are many all over. They don't "get all this" or don't want to or can't move from CNN and MSNBC .... to poison their minds with FOX, lordy forbid.. It took my daughter just about screaming and about to disown me "to get it, and where we are headed, she was so right on in early 2020"?,,,,
     
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    Joyce,

    Propaganda knows no left or right on the political stage.

    The final coup de grâce or as some would say “the final nail in the coffin” came in 1997 when Colin Powell’s son, Michael Powell who was a lobbyist and appointed to the FCC by President Bill Clinton as one of two republicans commissioner on November 3, 1997.

    Then the 9-11 murdering clown George W. Bush tapped him as FCC chairman in 2001. Powell signed off on the biggest media consolidation act which had thrown out all the mechanisms to allow John Q Public to file antitrust lawsuits, which allowed the government controlled BIG media propaganda pushing companies such as Viacom/CBS, Disney/ABC, NBC, AOL Time Warner and News Corp./Fox scoop up more and more of the information platforms including Social Media sites like Fakebook and Twitter etc. etc.

    You really need to familiarize yourself with the CIA propaganda program called Operation Mockingbird.

    The link below is a good starting point and will give you the depth and understanding of just how far the tentacles of our corrupted government reaches.


    https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKmockingbird.htm
     
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    Oh thanks Navy, you know so much, my energy level for all this is waning, but so glad I was awakened when I was so I could go thru all this as I have. And I will always remember Reagan's words: Govt is not the solution, Government is the Problem.
     
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    I like President Reagan's infinite wisdom; and the one that always forefront in my mind is his warning regarding the nine scariest-terrifying words one could ever hear:

    "'I'm from the government and I'm here to help"
    ~ Ronald Reagan
     
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    Bingo!
     
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    Close but technically incorrect. They did die in part .. because of Covid.. but 9 out of 10 that die with Covid do not die "of" Covid .you die from pneumonia .. the other 10% where Covid has done something wierd and targeted someone's liver - heart - brain . which was far more prevelant in the earlier versions .. very rare with Omicron. .

    So .. what happens is Covid for many is the straw that breaks camels back .. but any flue would have done the same .. staying out in the cold too long .. many things .. and you are 100% correct now .. in saying that near all these folks are immune compromized - pneumonia succeptible.. So the math looks like this

    95% of folks dead from covid had 1 or more comorb .. the majority having 3 or more .. the average being 4.

    of the 5 out of 100 remaining 9 out of 10 will die from pneumonia .. are pneumonia succeptible / immune compromized to varying degrees .. almost all being in the severely compromized category.

    This leaves us with 5 in 1000 .. Take out the morbidly obese (75%) 1.25 in 1000 .. and we left out a few things so call it 1.

    So .. 1 in 1000 people who don't have the above issues go in to the hospital with Covid and die. roughy 1 in 400 are hospitalized .. so 1 in 400,000 "Healthy folks" died.. and that was from Delta and previous .. which was far nastier than the dreaded "Omicron" such that dying from Omicron is "conservatively" 1 in a million .. more like 1 in 3 million.

    Moral of the story ... for healthy folks the risk of harm from vax is far greater than risk of harm from Covid
     
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    Lol…a mask costing less than a nickel can protect you from a deadly pathogen as insisted by leftists.
     
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    You believed the election was stolen also?
     
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    I believe all s'elections are rigged/stolen.

    Do you believe that the wealth and power at the top of the government 'control' pyramid are letting the useless peons at the bottom make the decisions that will directly effect them?
     
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    The ones in power knew that if they can get the media and social media to play along, they can say anything about the vaccine they want. They were assured that if media and social media back their narrative, people within the party will swallow everything fed to them without question. Trump wanted to do away with Section 230 of the CDA whereas Democrats went all out to defend Google, Facebook, and Twitter. Imagine if they do not have Section 230 to shield them. They wouldn't dare to ban or suspend users who challenged the establishment's narrative on the virus and vaccine.
     
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    Already off into crackpot conspiracy theories as well as crackpot medical claims. What a shock!


     
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    While we stopped wearing masks here long ago, apparently some republicans are still wearing them. So here is actual medical information:

    The CDC says that you should wear the most protective mask possible that you'll wear regularly, fits well and is comfortable. Respirators such as nonsurgical N95s give the most protection. KN95s and medical masks provide the next highest level of protection. Cloth masks provide less protection. The CDC says that surgical N95 masks should be reserved for health care providers.

    If you have a weakened immune system or have a higher risk of serious illness, wear a mask that provides you with the most protection possible when you're in an area with a high number of people with COVID-19 in the hospital and new COVID-19 cases. Check with your healthcare provider to see if you should wear a mask when you're in an area with a lower number of new COVID-19 cases and people with COVID-19 in the hospital.
    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449
     
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    Masks can be effective. If you use a surgical mask, replace it quickly after every potential exposure, wash your hands before and after you touch it, ensure its properly fitted, and dispose of it safely, it can reduce your chances of infection. If everyone does all of these things, it can reduce rates of infection.

    How many people did all that?

    How many of the mandates mandated all of that?

    Skimping on any of these things can actually turn a mask into a 'superspreader'. All those people who wore the same mask all day, usually not made of a material that has much chance of filtering out biological aerosols, just to comply with the mandate (or just to virtue signal) are just re-aerosolizing whatever exposures they encountered throught the day to everyone else they encounter throughout the day. They're basically sharing a cough from anyone near them with everyone else they meet that day.
     
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    Once again, more disinformation and quackery from the allopathic Dr Mercola

    https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...Disinformatione28099-ever-face-the-music.aspx
    https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-health-pseudoscience/upside-down-doctor

    Why on earth would you refer to a face mask as a face diaper? That makes no sense.

    You would think that being asked to protect others by wearing a face mask is asking people to sacrifice a body part. The problem with Mercola is, he presents his information as if it is proven facts and that's the end of it. Those not very discerning in how science actually works believe his opinions. Nothing can actually be proven in medical science. Research can only show strong/weak indications. The more research that there is to support something, the more likely the science is correct. There is a substantial amount of research data that indicates very strongly that wearing a face mask can slow the spread of covid-19. Mercola is cherry-picking information and skewing it to make statements that support something that just isn't true.

    Why are people so heavily invested in fighting and ranting about how masks don't work, how they are all evil? Anti-mask rhetoric is ridiculous and unreasonable.

    A mask is harmless despite Mercola's comments. It is a protective device that can prevent one from spreading covid easily. It is a simple and cheap method for the community to protect each other. If something harmless has been demonstrated to diminish the transmission of the virus, why not choose to help diminish the spread of the virus by using the harmless measure? What is the point of Mercola and his cohorts continually railing against mask usage? What is the point of using derogatory terms to describe masks and mask wearers? One would think that Mercola, as a rabid anti-vaxxer, would promote the harmless use of masks. Perhaps, he is so against them because there is no money to be made by him if he says they are harmless?

    How were PCR tests rigged? Just because your infamous crew of doctors say so? The PCR tests for SARS-CoV-2 are designed to test for genetic material from that virus. The test detects the presence of the virus if you have the virus at the time of the test. The test can also detect fragments of the virus even after you are no longer infected.

    How about some links that actually show that the PCR tests have been rigged worldwide. That would be a huge undertaking. And exactly, who got together to decide these tests were to be rigged? When the UK started using Lateral Flow Tests and PCR's, transmission of the virus decreased by 33% or something like that. With the removal of mask mandates, and no more free tests, the variants are spreading like wildfire right now. There were over 350,000 new cases on July 10th in the UK. I bet the Gov't is going to bring back wearing masks in certain high risk situations, very soon.

    Why a scam? If you were positive via lateral flow, you got a PCR which are more sensitive and then if positive you could try to not give the virus to anybody else. How is that a scam? One person in our house had it asymptomatically. It was discovered through an LFT. I got symptoms a few days later as did my partner. We isolated until we got negative tests. I wonder how many people we avoided infecting because of the tests? We did the tests willingly. It's not being a sheep to make sure you weren't carrying around covid and giving it to vulnerable people.

    Nobody forces me to do LFT's prior to going to see my very elderly parents, one who has underlying health condition. I love them and want to protect them. Nobody forces me to wear a mask if I choose to in risky situations.

    I hate to break this to you, but you do think in black and white terms. Your comments reflect this --> Big Pharma is all bad, Liberals are all bad, the mask is useless, vaccines are useless and anybody who thinks otherwise are 'sheep'. Most, if not all the comments you make are of a black and white nature, not in a grey area.

    How can you be so proud that you have worn a 'Nuzzle' twice? I hope you haven't asymptomatically infected people. Even though, in your eyes, it's a very small number that end up dying from covid, there are still the effects of having covid-19. Even mild cases have caused heart issues, brain issues, fatigue, shortness of breath, insomnia, anxiety/depression, joint/muscle pain, persistent cough etc. Why don't you want to do a very simple thing for a short amount of time to maybe prevent somebody from contracting covid-19. You are so vocal about maximizing your own health but the health of others seems to matter little.

    When it comes to black and white thinking, all you are doing is narrowing your scope and not considering anything but limited possibilities. This is what Mercola does and the group of 'frontline' doctors (all allopaths by the way) that you follow do. When we only look at the same sources over and over and believe in them 100 percent, that is ignoring all the shades of grey. I think to actually be able to pick a side with confidence, is to actually do enough research, learn from all perspectives and then form your confident opinion.

    I suppose making a conscious choice to ignore potentially important information leads one to never becoming better informed. I get the feeling that those who accuse others of being black and white thinkers can't really take on board that they are black and white thinkers who only perceive the world in one way.

    By the way, what does age have to do with it?

    You really need to stop using the opinion that people who died from covid died from all the health problems they had before covid, not covid.

    Wide open? I am glad you admit that, yet people are still not wanting to protect these 'wide open' people in any way they can. Having pre-existing health problems is a risk factor for developing severe covid and dying from it. For more than over 99% of the world's population, covid-19 is either asymptomatic or like having a mild to bad cold -- as far as symptoms go. Over six million have died (that we know of), so not just a 'Bad Cold'. Think about it, if about 1% of the population is at risk of dying from covid-19 that translates into 77,500,000 people. This didn't come close to happening though -- can you perhaps think why? One percent is not a insignificant number. It is a big deal, not just a BAD COLD.

    I have already asked you this and refused to respond.

    How many people who died, as you say, 'with covid' had terminal conditions and were imminently expected to die?

    Do you understand why having underlying health conditions 'open people up' to covid-19? The answer is 'BECAUSE UNDERLYING HEALTH CONDITIONS WEAKEN A PERSON'S RESISTANCE TO DISEASE'. I had to say that loudly. Take a person in their seventies, who has diabetes, but otherwise in good health. They have weakened resistance to virus/bacteria due to the diabetes but are otherwise healthy with well-controlled diabetes. They contract covid-19 and get pneumonia, followed by multi-organ failure, and die. They were previously healthy, they did not die of diabetes, they died because they got covid-19. On their death certificate, covid-19 would be written as the cause of death, not diabetes.

    Millions of people have health issues. Risk factors for developing severe covid19 have been well established. Advanced age which usually includes other health conditions, underlying heart conditions, dementia, diabetes, lung disease, asthma, kidney disease, high blood pressure and obesity are all risk factors. Again how many of these people with risk factors were considered to be imminently at risk of death prior to the pandemic? It was being infected with the coronavirus that killed them, otherwise they would be walking the planet right now.

    The last statement I quoted by you is a direct example of black and white thinking. Try to consider other factors and sources of information to delve into all the shades of grey.
     
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    Yes, Reagan was the problem.
     

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