Mass shootings at New Zealand mosques kill 49

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Why not just honestly admit what the white supremacist wrote about Trump:

    “As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a policy maker and leader? Dear god no.”
     
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    I don't know where you get your opinions, but you need some severe refining of them. Less than a million years ago, we weren't even what we would today call human. Millions of years from now, we won't be recognizable either.
    It might slow it down, but probably not in any discernible way. We have internet.
    It will not stay the same for more than a few generations. Unless we have complete isolation which short of a near world-ending event, will never happen. It may be possible to maintain some gradients ie make sure that the chinese are always different than the russians or something, but you won't be preserving anything, and there is no fundamental value in preserving a difference just for the sake of keeping them different, in fact, it seems obvious that the opposite is true. Do you think japanese culture today is closer to American culture, or 19th century japan? Again, there is no preservation, and that's a good thing. They are lucky not to be stuck in a feudal society.
    What on earth are you talking about? Non-whites are 95-98% white? Where are you getting this stuff? And again, chinese, white, european... these are not well defined terms. Certainly not terms you could define well enough to put to any policy. This stuff is all why this xenophobic anti-immigration is dangerous. Not only is any attempt to try to enforce it cruel, it is useless, and meaningless. And, that's the real problem here.
     
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    No because he thought he was invisible being white.
     
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    Which is what I've been pointing out the entire time. Its not as cut and dried as you originally presented it.

    Additionally: The dude is a chan troll, he literally stuck some storied copy pasta into his little screed. Its pretty obvious his intent with the manifesto is just to stir **** up, that's the reason its so all over the place. I wouldn't read too much into it.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What about this network report.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/nz-manifesto-resembles-norway-mass-murderers-text-104302758.html
    NZ manifesto resembles Norway mass murderer's text
    [​IMG] JAN M. OLSEN,Associated Press 7 hours ago


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    Out of curiosity, what in your mind counts as 'european.' Do the turks count as european? What about the russians? If not, do the ukrainians? What about ethnically russian ukrainians? Since there is inevitably a significant number of mixed races, how much do you need to be to stay in a european society?
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    It is too late to hide the truth that the white supremacist who shot to death dozens of worshippers in Christchurch viewed Trump as a symbol of white supremacy.

    “As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure.
    As a policy maker and leader? Dear god no.”
    That is entirely consistent with neo-nazis and other white supremacists endorsing Trump's candidacy and publicly hailing him as their "God Emperor!" and "Glorious Leader!"
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Will the black race get wiped out?
     
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    Of course, given enough time, we won't even be human anymore let alone white or black or whatever.
     
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    We spend 30Bill/year on catering to people too lazy to learn English!!!! PER YEAR!!! So in less than 2 years, we could more than cover the cost of a wall that would shield us from the eventual hordes that will come streaming over once Mexico and other Latin countries completely implode. But I guess you think we can support all of central America coming over and collecting welfare, or simply destroying entire states which would destroy the country as we know it. There's a reason people are fleeing countries over there.
     
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    You have your symbols you can follow, and Brenton Tarrant, the white supremacist who shot to death dozens of worshippers in New Zealand, has named his: Donald Trump.
     
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    The leader of the KKK endorsed Hillary. You continue to promote the logical fallacy that because a bone-headed person endorses you that somehow makes you personally responsible for their evil.
     
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    You mean $2 billion. And is that really the worst thing you can come up with? If that's as bad as it gets, then what are we even talking about?
     
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    The white supremacist named Trump as his "symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose."

    As a policy maker and leader? "Dear god no.”
     
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    So...

    Do you think globalists and progressives will start thinking differently about mass immigration and forced multiculturalism, or will they double down?
     
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    Sorry. Whoops. When you add what the cost of illegals comes to per year, then it all makes a lot more sense. And what are we talking about? So you're saying we should just sit back and let it happen? Watch as we're sucked dry and as more and more people stream over the border, with no skills, no education and no money, the drain on the tax payer will be too much. The wealthy will be the first to leave, because they easily can. There would be mass riots and destruction. Blight will consume entire cities just like in Latin America. You act as if its just no big deal and we should just not bother. MORE VOTES for Democrats I guess. Poor, ignorant, desperate people will vote for anything. Go ask Venezuela how that strategy worked out, because thats whats happened. They voted in those fools, because they promised a bunch of lies. Democrats are all lining up to do the EXACT SAME THING. FREE EVERYTHING. Its mind boggling.
     
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    Your desperate attempt at diversion by dredging up your fake, discredited claim fails:

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kkk-endorses-hillary-clinton/

    Try to honestly confront Trump's being seen as a symbol for the white supremacist who shot dozens of worshippers to death in New Zealand.
     
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    The New Zealand shooter is identified as Australian Brenton Tarrant. Australia has some of the strictest gun control policies to prevent this kind of heinous crimes but New Zealand has some of the most permissive gun policies in the Pacific, which lured Brenton Tarrant to New Zealand. Semi-automatic, high-powered weapons used by the suspects are banned in Australia. Otherwise, there could have been numerous mass shootings in Australia, where mainstream politicians often air their anti-Muslim views in public. Gun law reform in 1996 stopped mass shootings in Australia for the last two decades, which is why disarming Australian citizens in the 1990s was the right choice.
     
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    So all of this is slippery slope backed up by nothing. Illegals don't add any more cost to the system than the average American, the only drain is that they don't pay income taxes. As for venezuela, the problem there is not universal health care or voter rights, the problem is corruption, incompetence, and concentration of power among those corrupt individuals who as you say promised many things that they were lying about, and a citizenry that was unwilling to hold them accountable for crimes and lies. Does that sound familiar? But, whataboutism aside, none of these fears are backed by anything solid. Just random assumptions that immigrants are poor, lazy, dirty, and dumb.
     
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    They should have never opened their door to
    Australian immigration.

    One nation founded by clergy, the other by . . . .

    If any nation has the opportunity to seal itself off from immigration,
    KiwiLand certainly does. Sadly they buy into globalism selling out
    the next generations.
     
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    You have no idea why the shooter moved to New Zealand, and the guns that Australia banned are still available to criminals - Oz only collected about 70% of them.

    Why haven't there been more frequent mass shootings in New Zealand? The last one they had was in 1990.
     
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    I’ve tried honestly confront your belief that Trump is being seen as a symbol for the white supremacist who shot dozens of worshippers to death in New Zealand, and hurt myself.
     
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    Because there are more sheep in New Zealand than people, and Maori does not count.
     
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    Are you speaking on this topic as a layman?
     

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