Massachusetts says Catholic families cannot adopt children

They weren't denied adoption. They were denied as foster parents and there is a severe shortage of those. They eventually wanted to adopt but that's not what was denied.

 

I agree with you when it comes to gays and lesbians. Especially where kids need parents.

Letting TQ adopt is a more complicated question were the potential for those individuals to confuse children about gender can cause issues that impact the child in very dangerous ways.

Letting Maps adopt is just wrong. Not sure if the LGBTQ community has become so corrupted as to allow them into their group or not so I thought it should be clarified.

 

Not sure how you get to that conclusion. People who are brainwashed are often involved with brainwashing others.

Ironic.

Children do need guidelines and structure never said or implied that they didn't.

truth isn't dependent on who.

What are you confused about?

Might as well just tell them Mommy and Daddy are stupid and believe lies.

When people find out how wing that is the religion loses credibility. It's largely a scam to keep parishioners. When people figure this out they will abandon the values because they aren't valuable.

I used to be a Catholic and when I found out the Fatima was a hoax they lost credibility. When I found out Jesus didn't form the Catholic Church but Constantine did 300 years after Christ they lost more credibility.

When I found out they were lying to play like they were more important than they were they were deemed hypocrites.

Lying doesn't help.

 

It may not be, but who decides what "truth" is?
People can't even agree on truth in this forum.

Maybe you should start a thread about this in the Religion & Philosophy section, or provide me with a link to that thread if it already exists.
I suspect you may have been wrongfully misinformed, and I would like to review the information and accusations and discuss it with you.

There are all sorts of people and documentaries claiming things about religion, as if they were facts, which are not true. And some of these untrue things are anti-religion.

That is an oversimplification and is not entirely true. But I will discuss it with you in a different thread. (For the most part Constantine just gave official recognition and sanction to what already existed)

 

So the state denied a child a secure home.

 

Nobody, teeth simply is.

So? People think all sorts of nutty things. Did you know people still buy into astrology, flat Earth, chiropractic, and homeopathy?

You don't get to state the Earth is flat and that is your truth. It's a lie.

 

If truth "simply is", then I don't think this Political Debate forum would exist, would it?

Like many who are Left leaning, you have a tendency to oversimplify things and assume the solutions should be obvious. But that puts government in charge of very controversial decisions, and government does not always get it right.

So can people in government. Large swaths of society can think nutty things.
And what about things where the society is about equally divided on?

I believe if you were to put government in charge of various aspects of your life, you would find that government disagrees with you on many issues.

Unfortunately, many things are not so obvious as that.

 

I don't see why that is. First there's people that don't accept the truth it doesn't mean that they have a different truth it just means they're wrong.

If I was to tell you the continent of Australia didn't exist would that be my truth or would I just be wrong?

Politics is about policy how to go about running a country or a state or an organization it isn't about the truth.

you didn't get this from anything I said. I didn't simplify anything.

I'm not sure how government comes into this at all or why you're bringing that up.

But just so you're clear I don't think the government ever gets things right it is a nuisance that serves a purpose that simply must be tolerated.

Then they deal with it.

yeah I would agree with you on this one government is the worst solution to almost all problems. Even the problems it's not the worst solution for they f*** that up royally.

I don't know where you got this idea that I think government needs to be involved.

Maybe you have me confused with another poster

Yes sometimes the truth is elusive and sometimes we just don't know.

I didn't say we had everything figured out. I just said that the truth absolutely obliterates all lies so you can only lie for a certain amount of time then when the person you're lying to find out you're a liar they won't trust you.

So if you want them to know something it's best to help them learn it don't dictate to them what reality is because if you're wrong even a little bit you lose all credibility.

 

Foster kids typically already have parents but those parents either are incarcerated or lost temporary custody for other reasons.
The foster parents are employed/contracted by the state and receive money from the state but are not real parents. The real parents can sue the state for anything that happened to their children while in foster care.
That being said, as foster parents, you acting for the state do not have the ability to teach the kids under your care your religion. You are required to respect the religion they come from and allow the children to practice that religion. To do otherwise is to violate the familys constitutional rights of practice of religion.
If at some point the real parents finally relinquish rights and the foster parents become the real parents, they will then be able to impart their religious views on the child.

So yes, the catholic foster family must understand and agree to this to be foster parents. And if they really cared about the kids, they would agree to it and if they cannot, they should look at adoption instead.

 

I didn't say anything about parents. I mentioned a stable home.

yeah that's why I said stable home and not parents.

From what I understand Massachusetts is discriminating against Catholic families. That's all I know I don't know about this trying to force foster children to be Catholic or whatever you hadn't made that clear to me.

 

The first settlers to come to Massachusetts, came to escape religious persecution in a new land of freedom. It won't be long before their descendants have to relocate again to scape religious persecution. Massachusetts has come full cycle... from freedom and hope... to tyranny and despair.
(Were those concentration camps under construction I spotted on I-90 last month?)

 

You seem to be hyper focused on religion as religion, not as an issue as part of this topic. If you want to complain about how much you hate religion, there are far more appropriate threads to do that. In this case Massachusetts doesn't want Catholics to adopt because they worry that all these kids will not be able to get their nards chopped off when they realize they are some sort of multiple choice gender because their backwards, sky-god-lovin' parents are not with the program.

That's it. That's the issue. I'm opposed to banning Catholics from adopting and as far as I can tell, you are for it. I don't think we're going to agree on this.

 

Yeah I take issue with refusing to let Catholic people adopt and foster that isn't okay.

Odd because I agree with you.

 

No one in the LGBT community welcome MAPS amongst their ranks.

 

we need to keep religion out of the adoption process, Christians also denying Jews, Atheists, LGBT - they should not get any tax payer money if they do these things

"Tennessee-based adoption agency refuses to help couple because they're Jewish"

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news...n-tennessee-refused-family-jewish/6582864001/

 

exactly,

even the church has been found to have MAPS preaching in the Church, but I think even there, most would agree they are not welcome

every group sadly has some MAPS amongst their ranks, some in their leadership

 

In that case, I have no idea what you are arguing about.

 

Maybe you don't have an idea what you are arguing about. I stated my position before you responded.

You wanted to talk about potty training and all manner of other crap.

 

Oh still in discussions then. Maybe they are waiting for after the election to give them their official support then.

 

They seem to have safety in the Catholic Church, between 65 and 1980 and the boy scouts. Definitely other religious organizations, public schools, even within families.

 

There is only one person in this thread that seems to be thinking about and mentioning child rape incessantly.

 

You seem to have a gift for expressing issues succinctly.

That does indeed seem to be what the core issue of this story boils down to, more or less.