Mattis asked Coats for help to remove Trump

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  1. Arkanis

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    Former Defense Secretary James Mattis told then-Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats that President Trump was “dangerous” and “unfit,” according to excerpts from Bob Woodward’s upcoming book “Rage.”

    Mattis, who left the White House at the end of 2018 over differences on defense strategy with the president, warned Coats that “there may come a time when we have to take collective action” against Trump, according to excerpts of the Woodward book reported upon by The Washington Post


    https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...-coats-trump-is-dangerous-unfit-woodward-book

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    How can Trumpsters, however fanatical they may be, still justify the fact that so many of Trump's collaborators - people he hired - say now he's a threat to democracy and national security?

    If the trend continues, this personality cult will come to an end on the evening of November 3rd.
     
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    Can you give us examples of how Trump is a threat to democracy. Does he want illegals to vote? Does he want voter ID? Does he want secure borders?
     
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    Nepotism.

    Attempt to suppress the vote.

    Pressure on a foreign nation for political assistance.

    Obstruction of justice.

    And Mattis - and others close to Trump - must know even more serious reasons...
     
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    'Dangerous,' 'unfit,' and 'felony stupid': The most revealing quotes from Jim Mattis on Trump's presidency in Bob Woodward's bombshell book

    These are some of the most revealing quotes from Mattis on Trump and his presidency in Woodward's book:

    • On dealing with Trump, Mattis said: ""I was often trying to impose reason over impulse. And you see where I wasn't able to, because the tweets would get out there."

    • On the president's morality, Mattis reportedly said: "The president has no moral compass." (Former Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats is said to have agreed, saying: "To him, a lie is not a lie. It's just what he thinks. He doesn't know the difference between the truth and a lie.")

    • On receiving orders from Trump, he said: "I never cared much for what Trump said. I ran the Department of Defense. I kept him informed in my private meetings. I wouldn't do it in public, because he would have to play a role then. But I didn't get any guidance from him, generally, other than an occasional tweet."

    • In response to Trump's weakening of alliances, Mattis said: "What we're doing is we're actually showing how to destroy America. That's what we're showing them. How to isolate us from all of our allies. How to take us down. And it's working very well. We are declaring war on one another inside America. It's actually working against us right now."

    • On a president being tough and keeping the peace, Mattis said: "Not with the current occupant. He doesn't understand. He has no mental framework for these things. He hasn't read."

    • On Trump's go-it-alone strategy and dismissal of alliances, Mattis said: "It was indefensible. It was jingoism. It was a misguided form of nationalism. It was not patriotism."

    • On Trump's lasting impact on the country, Mattis said: "This degradation of the American experiment is real. This is tangible. Truth is no longer governing the White House statements. Nobody believes—even people who believe in him somehow believe in him without believing what he says."

    • On his decision to resign, Mattis said: "I was basically directed to do something that I thought went beyond stupid to felony stupid, strategically jeopardizing our place in the world and everything else, that's when I quit."
    https://www.businessinsider.com/most-revealing-quotes-on-trump-from-mattis-in-bombshell-book-2020-9
     
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    The most alarming thing Mattis had to say is quotation #4 above.

    In response to Trump's weakening of alliances, Mattis said: "What we're doing is we're actually showing how to destroy America. That's what we're showing them. How to isolate us from all of our allies. How to take us down. And it's working very well. We are declaring war on one another inside America. It's actually working against us right now."​

    As I've been saying for a long while now, we are under attack from the Russians and other foreign adversaries in a very devious way. They are attacking our sources of information online and radicalizing our people, causing internal division and threatening to destroy the country from within. Trump only aids them in this with his deranged thinking, words and actions. He is too stupid and self-serving, too sociopathatic and narcissistic, to comprehend what he is doing the country and what our adversaries are doing to us with his active assistance. He is their wrecking ball.
     
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    The most dangerous thing with the 2016 election is the attempt to remove a duly elected president without just cause. Try it again and I think the S will hit the fan.
     
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    Will you try dealing with reality for a change?
     
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    curious how he got these interviews when both left the white house a year before he started white house interviews and the other months before
     
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    How can leftists justify using the military to remove a duly elected President? I thought these guys were were supposed to be 'anti-fascists' heh. Not a day goes by without progressives lowering the bar. /smh You know, just food for thought, but progressives better get ready for the day when the right decides to ignore the Constitution and fight these fights on their level. Because if the radical Marxist left keeps going down this path they'll have been given no choice. They should pause for a moment and consider if they really want to see a true fascist militia run police state.
     
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    Which reality are you talking about?
     
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    Who hired James Mattis ?
     
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    Is he interfering to delay or discourage postal voting? Has he suggested delaying the election? Has he confided state secrets to foreign governments?
     
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    How is there danger in an election? How is an election anything more than an election and how does it democratically become an "attempt to remove a duly elected president without just cause?"
     
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    He's butthurt the President didn't take his advice on every little thing - that's all. Our so called 'allies' were screwing us on trade deals, screwing us on environmental treaties, not paying their fair share in these joint peacekeeping actions. We were the weak ones in these relationships and Pres Trump flipped that. The thing tearing us apart now is the cancer of radical progressive Marxism, the Democrats who yield to it, the MSM who spreads their propaganda, and the corporations that get duped by it. If Mattis cant see that then hes a fool who has no reason to be a part of anything national security related.
     
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    No, no, no. Let's start with the proven and well known rigging of an election and that is the 2016 democrat primary. Anyone who is concerned with democracy would be concerned with that.
     
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    Same guy who fired him later. Now that I've answered your question would you care to go back and answer mine? Here I'll copy/paste it for your convenience:

    How can leftists justify using the military to remove a duly elected President? I thought these guys were were supposed to be 'anti-fascists' heh.
     
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    Mathis conspired to overthrow the government?

    Or perhaps broader, Mathis and others conspired with the CIA to overthrow the government of the United States.

    If true, who else took any action toward this goal?
     
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    He has an opinion on postal voting just as the left does. I don't know about delaying the election. What state secrets has he confided to foreign governments?
     
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    No, no, and no.
     
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    So Mattis literally threatened national security and this is your response?
     
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    Mattis had the same concerns as you.

    But he saw Trump as a much worse threat than the Democrats.

    And you can't explain that.
     
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    The Founding Fathers did not write the 25th Amendment for nothing.
     
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    Time for a new special prosecutor?
     
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    Did Mattis refer to that?
     
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    Mattis wore the uniform of the UNITED STATES MILITARY! This is coup talk! Traitorous actions that are punishable by law. It needs to be prosecuted.
     

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