"May Issue" case could be headed to Supreme Court

if u say so

 

The Gun Ban Clack does not want anyone to carry a loaded concealed or openly carried firearm for defensive purposes, or severly restrict or establish regulations that place limitations on bearing arms.

Once this onerous framework is established, only the hardiest of people will jump all the hurdles and apply and pay exhorbitant rates for a license.

 

You often expect other people to accept your word on many matters.

 

i express my opinion

 

If you say so.... lol

 

Well in fairness you do too

 

there is some merit to that argument but we have seen numerous cases of may issue being abused. and it should be struck down. there should be zero discretion allowed in order to prevent racism, sexism bigotry or political favoritism.

bureaucrats who deny someone a license for any improper reason should be destroyed financially and stripped from ever holding public office for life

 

what regulatory authority do you believe the States should have with regards to firearms?

 

use restrictions are valid if they make sense. Prohibiting discharge in municipal areas (outside) make sense. hunting regulations (no hunting deer with 22 rimfire etc), prohibition of carrying firearms in some sensitive areas (like a court house where there are plenty of armed guards, jails etc) age restrictions on who can buy or carry firearms. Prohibitions on carrying or using firearms while drunk or stoned.

 

Exactly right. And, the most eqregious example is practiced in Lowell, Massachusetts where applicant are required to submit an essay. That doesn't invite abuse, does it? It doesn't invite discrimination or bias does it? It is equivalent to having to prove you are literate before being allowed to vote.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/01/21/lowell-gun-licenses-open-carry-safety-courses-essay/
All may issue States follow the same formula, Lowell's is a bit more transparent.

 

I'm going to fall on the side that says that preventing a law-abiding citizen from carrying a concealed weapon is unconstitutional. I suspect that the Founders didn't care if the pistol was out in the open, under a coat, or in a pocket. So, I hope it goes to the Supreme Court, and I hope California loses.

 

The rub is that you should have to prove you are law abiding

 

you really don't have much use for our constitution and our legal foundations do you? the duty is on the state to prove someone is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. All citizens are PRESUMED innocent until the government destroys that presumption by proof of GUILT beyond A REASONABLE DOUBT.

 

I hope those officials in california are imprisoned for constitutional violations

 

well, we have to have someone of authority to decide what regulations and restrictions make sense and which do not.

personally, I think if you are law-abiding with no criminal record, no arrests, and go through safety & close quarter pistol training, you should be allowed to carry a concealed gun.

but many folks may disagree with me.

many judges who have studied the law may decide that some ability to articulate a need to carry a concealed gun should be required.

they may decide that the general public, without any special or unique fears of harm, should not be able to carry concealed pistols.

what can i tell ya.

 

Ahh, the premise that you are guilty until proven innocent or as we found in Ireland, innocent until proven Irish.

 

judges often can carry without meeting the requirements they think should apply to others. I have no use for such judges they should be stripped of their office. if someone wishes to carry a pistol, cannot, and is raped or robbed,the public official who denied their carry permit should be charged as an accessory to the crime and treated the same as the main perpetrator.

 

My state does a criminal history check for CCW permits. It also checks to make sure the person has never been committed to the State Mental Hospital and that the person is not the subject of a Domestic Abuse Restraining Order. The system works well. The crime rate in my state has virtually nothing to do with CCW permit holders.

 

i think we should also require safety and close-quarter firearm training.

i believe many counties in NY do this.


yes, my dear friends, many counties in the Great State of New York, are Shall-Issue.

 

To do less is madness

 

the next question is: should private businesses be allowed to ban firearms?

 

Ha

Having a position of authority does not nessissarily insure wisdom, impartiality, fairness, nor any other unquestioned attribute as it relates to permit licensing...as even those among Black Lives Matter suggest in regard to the police.
Everytime there is a report of an innocent killed by a criminal because the state didn't provide protection defines an arguable need for any law abiding citizen to be able to carry concealed, or open, for personal protection.

 

Why

 

If they are willing to guarantee safety and be held liable to victims when they fail in that duty.

 

Try telling an FBI Agent or other Sworn Deputized Officer of the Law, that firearms are banned and see what happens.