McConnell says Medicare, Social Security causing ‘disturbing’ deficit increase

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  1. Moonglow

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    McConnell would never say that the govt spends too much and we need to cut spending on things like Congressional retirement and medical freebies for life.
     
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    Yes. If you have been paying into it for 35 years and then hear a politician say they want to cut your benefits, then it tends to make you feel like you should vote for someone else.
     
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    I'd like to punch him for saying it..
     
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    We have 7.1 MILLION VACANT jobs waiting to be filled!!We have 96 MILLION AMERICANS of working age 16-64 who are out of the workforce voluntarily for the most part.There are over a million and a half less Americans working today than were in the workforce in the year 2000 despite large population growth??We have a hell of a lot of dead beats out there.
     
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    The GOP is playing people into supporting cuts into Social Security. Here is what Ronald Reagan said about it.

     
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    This guy is a moron who thinks we are all morons as well. Social Security can have no effect on deficit by design as it is paid for by everyone who works every month.
     
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    I think he knows how it works, but he is counting on voters not knowing. That's why I said they are playing people into supporting their agenda (cuts to social security). It amazes me people can be talked into voting against their own best interests. I have been paying into it for decades, even double payments while I worked for myself, and I still pay although I am maxed out, so I am fairly upset with this kind talk. I am actually happy they revealed this plan before the Nov 6 elections, not after it.
     
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    It allows them to pretend they are doing something about the Trillion dollars they just added with Corporate and uncle Donny tax cuts.
     
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    It's not a popular thing to acknowledge, but McConnell is right. As long as the economy recovers, this shouldn't remain a problem though. However, in case it doesn't, we should seriously consider raising the retirement age and doing other things to keep the programs solvent. Otherwise, they'll have to be cut.
     
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    Why can't we raise taxes on the rich? This is ridiculous, We have wealth disparities that nobody ever has put up with in all of history and they will soon be cutting growth themselves, if they are not already, and the only answer I hear from Republicans is let's make the problem even worse.

    The only possible reasons you could ever logically vote Republican is either you make over 100 millions annually or your only political concern is making the USA a racially "pure" country. Those people are actually very few and we sane ones should be able to limit their influence if we vote and vote Democrat in November
     
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    McConnell lies, and he knows it. The largest cause of the deficit is the new Trump/McConnell/Ryan tax cut for the super wealthy. This Republican policy of taking from the poor to give to the rich is an old, worn out tradition. I'm constantly surprised by the number of voters who still cling to it and support it with their votes, when it is so obviously against their own best interest--unless they are rich.
     
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    I guess you can make the case that the rich and large businesses should pay more in taxes. The infrastructure alone needed for them to maintain their wealth/businesses is a strong enough argument.
     
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    You appear to be buying in to the Republican propaganda. It's all a lie. It's the old, worn out theory that if you give more to the rich who don't need it, then the excess will trickle down to you somehow. It never does. We need to get beyond this timeworn policy of "rob the poor to reward the rich," and start passing laws that build our middle classes again.
     
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    I don't buy into "trickle down" at all. Still, those who are most likely to use Social Security and Medicare aren't rich/wealthy, so in this case it is actually robbing the rich to subsidize the others.

    The rich can be taxed more as they do take more out of the economy than people realize. It may not be enough though and those who rely or will rely on certain programs may have to make sacrifices.
     
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    People are sounding surprised? This is what failing empires have done throughout history. Enrich the very wealthiest elites at the expense of the mass of the population and use the wealth usurped to fund feckless, unnecessary military adventures abroad. Think about it, over 700B in defense spending but you can't afford a decent health care system or to educate your young. Cut the corporate and highest earners tax rate to 20%. Projected deficit to over a Trillion - that's a Trillion - while Russia, China and even Japan are starting to dump US debt.

    And now the pathetic, utterly immoral lackey's like McConnell want to make you think that it is your last remaining social safety nets like Medicare and social security, already pared to the bone, are real problem. And Americans so drenched and cowed in lies, disinfo and right-wing neo-conservative propaganda are still believing this bs - for a while anyway. Meanwhile billionaires laugh all the way to the bank buying up stock options to inflate the market so it looks likes everything's dandy in paradise while they play on their yachts and mansions. 3 Americans own more wealth than the bottom 50% and the richest 1% own half the planet's wealth while people die in poverty and needless want. AS Richard Wolff says, "there are no words to describe this kind of obscenity."

    This was always the ultimate end the neo-Liberal economic voodoo that has been foisted on your failing empire for decades was going to come to and this is just the beginning. Wait till the next economic downturn starts........

    And Trump has taken the shackles off what puny controls and regulations that remained so that the thieves aren't even trying to hide the rip-off anymore. They are so flushed with cash and their own hubris they think there is nothing you can do about it anymore. And they are right!!!!

    But of course, failing empires, from Rome to France and back again, always barf up lunatic demagogues like Trump to distract the masses with lurid, mindless theater while the plutocrats and crooks make off with the spoils.

    Any fool with a calculator can see where cutting taxes and increasing spending on wars and corporate privilege will lead - but never mind that.....there's Stormy and Russia....and Kanye....shriek in hysteria....*boggle*
     
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    You are right that those on Social Security & Medicare aren't usually rich, but they are frequently people who have spent their lives working for the benefit of themselves, their families, their communities and their country. They don't deserve to be called upon to make more sacrifices while the wealthy/rich get protections from any notable sacrifices themselves. Those rich you say are getting robbed to subsidize the retired is less true than the fact that those older poor have been consistently robbed and taken advantage of throughout their lives in order to subsidize the wealthy. Whether you want to admit it or not, this point of view is every bit as honest & accurate as yours.
     
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    Very interesting, thought provoking post. Thank you. :)
     
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    De Nada.........Thanks for commenting. Nothing against Americans at all. I am sad at what this has come to....

    Cheers :)
     
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    We need to build the middle classes as they are the only ones who can save us. The poor will work hard as they are motivated to but they have nothing to work with, The rich will try to rob us all even more, as that is how they got rich. Economies don't grow by giving everything to one group and then hoping all the rest of us can live off their crumbs. Economies grow by circulating wealth, not by jamming it all up top, that's how you end up with vaults full of gold and people starving in the streets. Tax the richbitches up to their ample yingyangs and give it all to the rest of us; in the end we will all be prosperous, rich and poor alike.
     
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