Meet the Technology That's Uncovering 2020's Voter Fraud

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Meet the Technology That's Uncovering 2020's Voter Fraud

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    The 2020 election was like no other held before. Up until 2018 democrats were complaining about mail in voting as being the least secure method and voting machines can be hacked.



     
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    Hmm. Pretty devious if verified.
     
  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Which it never will be. They've had more than a year to do so and it's still nothing more than unfounded allegations.

    Voting "trends" and other things like them are meaningless. Turnout being particularly high in 2020 frex indicates nothing more than that the electorate was strongly polarized. As far as actual real evidence of votes changed or fraudulently cast you have just about butkus

    Get back to us when you have a story from a source that was NOT El Rushbo's favorite magazine
     
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    The problem is the way the voting system is set up in the first place makes it very hard, or near impossible, to find evidence, if there is fraud.

    So this is a big problem most people don't seem to be recognizing.

    As a result, most of the "evidence" that has been made available is more general trends and statistical analysis, which cannot pinpoint specific cases of fraud.

    When we can't prove that fraud has not been committed in specific cases, obviously then it's going to be impossible to prove that fraud has occurred in specific cases.
    (I mean track the individual vote to the person that cast it)
     
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  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    And that last would violate Ballot secrecy.
     
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    Well, the mail-in ballots certainly make it very difficult to see if there is fraud going on.

    Maybe they should require individual ballot verification in the case of mail-in ballots. (You would no longer have secrecy if you decided to vote with a mail-in ballot)
     
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    count all votes digitally and manually, then check if they match

    problem solved
     
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  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I think that's been done.

    But the Trumpers won't accept it, since it says Trump lost.
     
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    And that is the totality of it.
     
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    Handy ain't it?
     
  11. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Handy or not ballot secrecy is a deal breaker. Without it you just hand most elections over to whoever has the biggest enforcers
     
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    Do they beat you up before or after you vote?
     
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    Historically? The lack of a secret ballot has resulted in both.
     
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    Then you can't win so just vote your heart or conscience if you have one. Just tell the old meanies you voted for Trump and they'll buy you a beer.
     
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    Your suggestion assumes a secret ballot. That's the only way that works.
     
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    An invalid ballot will match its digital counterpart.
     
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    I've never felt threatened and I will tell you who I vote for if you ask. If you vote by mail you certainly have to sign somewhere, I think this last time out a lot of people who have never voted before signed where the nice young person who picked up their ballot for them told them to sign.
     
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    That doesn't change the fact that you shouldn't be legally obligated to make your vote public.

    Yes. You do. And?

    What you "think" doesn't matter.
     
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    Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Thank you!
     
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    Just because it's not private doesn't mean it has to be public. You can have a 'need to know' traceable record that can be verified by a non partisan party.
     
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    I don't see how it's "near impossible" or even very hard to find evidence of fraud. There have been plenty of stories about fraud being discovered. More than one Trump supporter attempted it in the last election and got caught, in fact.
     
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    Well, the precedents have been well and truly set. You want to allege that the last election was 'hacked' and that the manufacturers of the voting machines used were are at fault? Fine, but you better have deep pockets and all your factual ducks lined up in a row because if you don't? Dominion et al will take you to the cleaners. Hell they're probably going to make more money off libel suits over the next couple of years than they will from selling their products.

    So anyone whose game? But all means 'accuse away'.
     
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