Men Not Working

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  1. PGreen

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    Given the media buzz about declining men’s labor force participation, it is common knowledge that the employment situation for men today is less than ideal.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/19/janice-shaw-crouse-men-not-working/

    What if the problem is not in Americans, who refuse to work, but in a fact that a lot of employers choose the immigrants because they are easier to exploit. What if that's why there is so much organizing in the immigrant communities. What do you think about it?
     
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    Read the article. The problem is pretty much young unmarried men who don't want to work at what's available. And, they don't have to. Work seriously interferes with their social life. And there's the modern concept of "underemployed". That's where you just know you should be the CEO of a major corporation and won't settle for anything less.

    I had applicants for a position where the employees worked shift work to cover 7-days a week, 24-hours a day ask if it would be difficult to get two weeks off at Christmas to go skiing with friends. I had someone hand me a business card for his attorney and say, "That's who you'll be talking to if you don't hire me." We had a sick leave policy that included 90-work paid days off work for serious illnesses or injuries. I had a lot of applicants ask about that policy covering, you know, regular sick days where you don't feel like working. I had applicants want to know how many months they would have to work rotating shifts that covered nights and weekends. They felt they could do that for a few months before moving up.

    And, define "exploit".
     
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    Haven't we already learned that most of the new jobs have gone to immigrants? 12 million (lol) illegals and how many Americans unemployed?
     
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    You have to pay your dues sometimes. If nothing else, taking a lower paying job you don't particularly like is a motivation to better yourself. I have yet to meet someone under 30 who didn't play, conservatively 20 hours of video games a week..in many cases they play over 40 hours a week.

    I'm all for games and entertainment, but if you are devoting your waking hours to leveling up or going on quests for the equivalent to a full-time job in the time committment...40 + hours per week. I have no sympathy for you if the only job you're qualfied to do is retail cashier or Jiffy Lube.

    Learn how to weld, learn a trade, learn to be a machinist, learn to program...you don't need 4 years of college and huge financial debt to better your situation.

    I agree with Patrick the issue with unemployment among males are those who are unmarried and unwilling to take the entry level jobs which may indeed be crap on a stick...but they don't have to be forever. Use that to motiviate yourself to better your situation, and for crissakes put down the video game controller once in a while.

    Not addressing anyone specific of course.
     
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    I wonder how much effect the notion that all of our parents and grandparents could work a 40 hour week, mon-fri 8-4, and be comfortable, plays into the notion that that kind of work isn't for them?

    I worked shift work for most of my adult life, and enjoyed it because It allowed me to work the schedule I wanted (I prefer to stay up late and sleep in), but I know a lot of people who don't understand why working for a non-24 hour company (I mean like hotels, food places, 7-11, that kind of thing) should mean a life of work and nothing else...
    I mean, is our generations destiny to either die on the job, or on welfare because they don't want to die on the job?
     
  6. ChristopherABrown

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    Now there's an exploitation. The video game issue is a pretty deep, and dysfunctional conditioning of the unconscious mind because it starts so young.

    If the purpose of free speech could exist, this problem would not and instead young men would enjoy and benefit from good training in important vocations.

    The ultimate purpose of free speech is unity. With that we can alter or abolish government that allows corporations of media and entertainment to corrupt our people.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...free-speech-choosing-limits-over-purpose.html

    There could easily be a scam directed at hijacking an Article V convention that will make our problems much worse and harder to solve. With the effect of the unity defined in the first link, the second post in this link provides a state by state strategy that will work towards full restoration of constitutional government.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...nstitutional-threat-thread-real-defenses.html

    The following link is a proposal for a structure for Article V that keeps it inline and under control. The lack of this has been one of the problems with Article V proposals.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...endment-congress-cannot-runoff-lawmaking.html
     
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    I think immigrants work harder and for cheaper than Americans. That's why once an employer can get away with hiring the immigrants they'll not likely go back to lazy Americans.

    Plus I've heard that millennials have poor job skills. Which may be why companies are looking for foreign labor.

    This will probably be the trend until the robots get here and everyone's job is replaced.
     
  8. ChristopherABrown

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    I saw the educational system back away from vocations and push hi tech training. Then I saw GATT move all of the hi tech work to China and India. Looks like a setup to me.
     
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    We could add dynamics to the set up by pointing out a strange fascination with skateboards and video games that media promoted. Both require massive corporate support, and benefit major corporate establishments while disabling American political culture. Medicine and high tech companies are the benefactors.
     
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    I agree with this. I've noticed that many in this current generation do have a bit of an entitlement mentality, not necessarily believing that they should just sit around and refuse to work but should be allowed to wait around until they find a job that they particularly want.

    I've seen this throughout all levels of my working career. I used to be a cook at a restaurant and I saw many people in the younger generations negative attitude towards doing anything that they didn't want to do. For example we hired a young man to work as a fry cook. At the end of the night the job of the fry cook is to clean out the grease trap which is a pretty nasty job. He flat out refused to do it. He said "That's disgusting I was hired as a cook, not a janitor" and simply left after his shift without cleaning it. He was given another chance the next night and still refused to do it. He was fired.

    We had issues with cooks refusing to help wash dishes all the time. That was probably the main issue that we had. We would routinely have cooks go over and help the dishwashers out at the end of the night or when they got really busy during the day because we always had more cooks than dishwashers. Most of the cooks just flat out refused to go and the ones who did go only did so after a hefty bit of kicking and screaming. Again their excuse was "I'm a cook not a dishwasher". The entire concept of teamwork was foreign to many of them. I used to tell them "Man we're COOKS, we aren't Chefs, we put in applications to work here not resumes, you don't have to go to culinary school to work here we're line cooks...There isn't even a prior experience requirement to work here".

    Therein lies the problem. Without trying to sound degrading many people honestly do hold themselves in a much higher notion of self worth than they actually have. These kids would get upset that the manager wasn't taking THEIR advice about how to run the business. There were routine fights between staff and management because these kids thought that they should have full say and their own jobs and be able to decide what they were going to do for money, not management.

    I always hear people say things like "I refuse to work at McDonalds making so and so an hour". As if they are "too good" to work fast food. But rarely do they stop and think "well WHY am I too good?" Do you have a degree? Do you have a trade or a skill? Often times the answer is no. If you have no skills or education then you are not too good to work whatever unskilled labor job is out there. Those are the people who really upset me.

    When I was young I lived with 2 roommates at one point. We split the rent 3 ways of course. When the summer ended and the college semester started back up one of our roommates pretty much stopped working enough hours to pay his share of the rent. His reason? "I'm not going to work 40 hours and a week and go to school full time I would have no life". So wait a minute...you're telling us that you just aren't going to pay your full share of the rent because you want more free time instead of working? Meanwhile both me and my other roommate were working full time and going to school full time. My other roommate decided to just pay more money for rent to pick up the slack. I refused, I moved out on my own.

    Thats the mentality that many people seem to have for some reason. The mentality that they should decide how much they work and how much they get paid for it. They should decide how much free time they have. And if the amount of work they choose to do doesn't earn enough money then somebody else should foot the bill. That is a sad, and quite dangerous mentality. Many of these kids are getting a serious wake up call. Real life doesn't work like that.
     
  11. ChristopherABrown

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    Yes, entitlement is a cognitive distortion. Media has been teaching as many as possibly subliminally through semiotics for 30+ years. Game shows, sitcoms, drama, soaps, reality shows, you name it. All media entertainment has been a vehicle for semiotic communication of cognitive distortions for a long while.

    Here's a list of them.

    COGNITIVE DISTORTIONS


    A) All or nothing thinking- Things are placed in black or white categories.(*) If things are less than perfect self is viewed as failure.


    B) Over generalization- Single event is viewed as continuous failure.


    C) Mental filter- Details in life (positive or negative) are amplified in importance while opposite is rejected.
    

D) Minimizing- Perceiving one or opposite experiences (positive or negative) as absolute and maintaining singularity of belief to one or the other.
    F) Mind reading- One absolutely concludes that others are reacting positively or negatively without investigating reality.
    

G) Fortune Telling- Based on previous 5 distortions, anticipation of negative or positive outcome of situations is established
    H) Catastrophizing- Exaggerated importance of self's failures and others successes.


    I) Emotional reasoning- One feels as though emotional state IS reality of situation.


    J) "Should" statements- Self imposed rules about behavior creating guilt at self inability to adhere and anger at others in their inability to conform to self's rules.


    K) Labeling:- Instead of understanding errors over generalization is applied.


    L) Personalization- Thinking that the actions or statements of others are a reaction to you.


    M) Entitlement- Believing that you deserve things you have not earned.
     
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    feminine sexism again?

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