Michigan AG charges participants in 2020 fake elector plot

I didn't start supporting Biden until this week. I voted against him before. I won't make that mistake if it is him vs Trump[ again. There is no evidence of bribing. There is proof Trump tried to steal the election. There is no such thing as a Trump supporter who supports the Constitution or democracy.

 

Everyone knows that Biden is bribed by Ukraine. No one ever believed that all these Russian and Ukrainian Oligarchs just wanted to pour $Millions into Biden pockets because they are generous folks.

Polling shows that Democrats are willing to give Joe a pass on his bribes, but Independent voters are not. That is why Dems are trying so desperately to jail folks for objecting to the last election they rigged. And everyone knows that the 2020 election was rigged, Hunter Biden's laptop was real, and that the FBI/CIA lied to the American People in order to rig the election.

This MI action is all about rigging the election for Bribed Biden.

Remember, you have the guy who was bribed by the Ukrainians, who now is gifting them our war industry, and moving US troops to the Eastern front in preparation for a land war with Russia, claiming that Trump is a threat to democracy?

If you were certain this lawfare against Trump was going to work, you wouldn't be so panicked.

Latest poll - Trump +5

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html

You want a sure winner? Support RFK. If he was the Democrat Standard Bearer, Dems would take 40 states, but the price would be that Bobby Kennedy would clean out the corruption in the DNC, which is why they fear him.

 

Simple question.

How did a thread about the indictment of fake Michigan electors turn into (yet another) thread about the (unproven) Biden bribe conspiracy theory?

It's almost as if the MAGAbicles don't want to talk about the ACTUAL legal trouble Trump and his supporters are in and would rather talk about the imaginary Biden scandal.

If you want to respond to this post it should be about the Michigan indictments or don't bother.

 

"Everyone knows". Well that settles it then, he must be guilty! No need for evidence or witnesses, no need for a trial even. Just lock him up. Thanks for that brilliant insight Sherlock.

If this level of analysis really is what passes for intellectual debate in US conservative political circles today the country is doomed.

 

Is that really the kind of broad brushed flamebaiting that you want to resort to rather than reasoned argument?

The entire point of all the illegal spying, the constant investigations, the attempted rigging of the 2016 that failed, the 2020 election rigging that succeeded, and all these charges, now, are to rig the 2024 election. You know it, I know it, the American People know it.

You are going to pretend to be Mr. Law and Order when Biden has been collecting $Millions in bribes from China, Ukraine, Russia is, Romania and so on? We have the whistleblowers, the testimony, the suspicious activity reports, the maze of fictitious companies the bribes were laundered through. Trump was actually impeached for suggesting that Ukraine look into this, well, "I'll be damned, if Trump was right!"

The Michigan indictments are just another attack, in the war that was launched by the Deep State, when Trump announced his intention to run and they began to illegally spy on his campaign, and continued through Mueller, and then burying the Hunter laptop to rig the election, then the Bragg indictments, then SC Counsel Indictments, and it will be followed by the GA indictments, for yet another perfect phone call, and then another round of indictments from Special Counsel's office, all timed in a concerted effort to rig the 2024 election, the 3rd election in a row that the FBI/DOJ/CIA have all tried to rig.

If you support law and order, why are you fine with Biden being bribed, with Hunter's investigation being rigged, elections being fixed and Trump being illegally spied on and hounded by lawfare all through the election?

 

The Michigan charges are forgery, election law forgery and conspiracy to do both.

I would guess the original intent of those laws was to punish and deter future attempts at forgery, election law forgery, and conspiracy to do both.

 

If RFK was the nominee, I'd probably have to vote for Trump. He's insane, but has rare moments of clarity...

 

Your constant accusations of "rigging the elections" is false, you know it, I know it and the American People know it. You accuse me of "flamebaiting" but your accusations of "rigging the elections" is exactly the same thing. It's not reasoned argument. It's a claim that you CONTINUALLY show absolutely no evidence for. Trump brought about 60 lawsuits in various states trying to get the courts to rule that the election of 2020 was somehow stolen and he was rejected in every single one of them....but here you are trying to make the same claim. That is not "reasoned argument"

So if the MAGAbicle fits....

The legal trouble Trump finds himself in is not "lawfare". These are situations he got himself into because his ego refuses to accept the notion that he LOST. Fair and Square. HE LOST.

Trump lost and EVERYTHING that the Republicans are trying to push today is because of that. It's not "facts" or "reasoned argument". It's a crybaby temper tantrum thrown by a child man (he's not even mature enough to call him a man child) and the rest of his party going along with it because they are afraid of the MAGAbicles who support Trump.

I am absolutely convinced that the people on the internet who continue to push pro Trump narratives fit in to one of two categories.

MAGAbicles who couldn't think their way out of a wet paper bag who just take everything Trump says as gospel truth

OR

Trolls who have nothing better to do with their lives than to get on forums like this and stir the pot.

That's it. And the saddest part of ALL of it is that we've gotten to this point. That our elections are at the mercy of those people.

I don't know how old you are, but I voted for Reagan in 1980 and in 1984. Reagan, today, would be called a RINO. Reagan was a Democrat and switched parties. When asked why he left the Democrats he said, "I didn't leave the Democrats, they left me". I have no doubt that is EXACTLY what he would say about the Republicans today if he were here.

 

Nope, I would probably vote 3rd party...or not at all.

But if I absolutely had to choose between RFK and Trump I would pick RFK. We've seen a Trump presidency. We've seen the Republicans show absolutely no spine when confronted with Trump's illegal and unethical behavior.

IF RFK were President I could at least hope that the Democrats would not show the same quisling traits and remove him if it became necessary.

 

It was a poor attempt at humor.... If the final choice for POTUS is RFKJ vs Donald Trump, this country is good and truly ****ed...

Fortunately, we certainly won't see one and it's still TBD if we see the other..

 

I'm almost of the opinion that the fact that Trump is the leading GOP contender right now indicates that we are good and truly f****ed.

The fact that the leading contender for nomination by one of the two major political parties is a man indicted for multiple felonies (with more indictments on the horizon) is mind numbingly horrifying.

I can remember, in bygone more innocent era, that Ford was denied re-election, not because of anything HE did, but because he was associated with Nixon. Nixon, whose wrong doings now seem like a high school prank compared to Trump, was such a pariah in the GOP that he prevented his VP from getting elected.

And now, a man who makes Nixon look like a saint, is the front runner. It blows my mind.

 

Ford wasn't really denied re-election, because he wasn't elected in the first place.

I think it was some combination of the country being tired of the GOP and their hijinx and the Nixon pardon that gave Carter the election.

But every 8 years or so, some people feel that the unserious and corrupt GOP needs to be back in charge... that's what blows my mind...

 

And yet, more differences between Americans and MAGA

Americans insist on evidence and the judicial system to have somebody be guilty of bribery
MAGA goes with innuendo from people with obvious agendas, corrupt elected officials (with obvious agendas). and polling....

 

And here is the problem with the supporters of Trump in a nutshell.

They want to call the unsubstantiated rumors about Biden fact and convict him on it, meanwhile the facts about Trump they want to call "rigging the election". Exactly 180 degrees out of touch with reality.

 

It Trump and RFK were the nominees, I'd gladly vote for RFK. He's more mature and better behaved than Trump and he's not completely corrupted like Biden.

 

Here's the problem with Biden supporters in a nutshell, the Biden charges are not unsubstantiated at all.

The FBI/CIA rigged the election for Biden, because they knew if they didn't that Biden would lose. Biden is an illegitimate president that would have lost without the illegal intervention of the FBI/CIA. You know it, I know it, and the American People know it.

Polling indicates that 17% of Biden voters would not have voted for Bribed Biden if they had realized that the Biden laptop was real, and not "Russian Disinformation" as the FBI/CIA alleged, in order to rig the election for Biden.

Knowing that Trump would have wiped the floor with Bribed Biden, who has to be led around by the hand, helped off stage, and falls more than Hillary did, the crooked DNC is in an absolute panic knowing that they do not have the ability to rig this election like they did the last one, given the end of COVID and the knowledge that the American People now possess that they are a bunch of election fixing liars.

These Michigan charges are just part of the constant stream of indictments against Trump that we will see throughout the election season as they desperately attempt to rig another election for Crooked Joe the Bribed.

 

I’ll call bullshit on that one; given a chance you’d vote for tRaitor tRump if he was running against Jesus Christ.

l find it odd that “everybody” knows these accusations you’re making and yet you never seem to link even a shred of proof for them.

You denigrated every fundamental institution that has contributed to making OUR Nation great because tRaitor tRump says so. And you would choose the most lying, hypocritical ******** to ever walk the planet over OUR Constitution, THE greatest document ever written by man for mankind, if that was your choice.

 

What a Fun game, let me try:
Everyone knows that Bigfoot is dating Margot Robbie.
^How did I do? Do you have any more?

Another Fun game:
No one ever believed that Taylor Swift and Bat Boy didn't have a Love Child.

Yeah? And, So WHAT?
They will still vote for Joe if Trump is on the other side...

NOTHING was "rigged", and Everybody (not wearing a giant Biden-Hating Tinfoil Hat) Knows that...

A 3rd Fun Game? This is awesome:
And everyone knows 9/11 was an inside job, Bigfoot is real, and JFK Jr. is alive and is QAnon.

Sure thing...

The only obvious "panic" is from the Biden Haters who see Joe cruising to a 2nd Term...

So what?
Polls mean nothing at this point, get back to us in October 2024...

Totally LMAO!
RFK Jr Ain't Happening...
And, a 4th Fun Game? Holy Grand Slam!
You want a sure winner? Support Lady Gaga. If she was the Democrat Standard Bearer, Dems would take 50 states +DC, but the price would be that Gaga would clean out the corruption in the DNC, which is why they fear her

 

Then substantiate them.

 

Fake News. A great majority of the American People already understand that Briden was bribed by Ukraine, you can look up the polls for yourself. Your pretense that we cannot even think he was bribed until he is convicted by a court is simply wrong-headed. Look at all the crimes folks like you on the Left declare Trump guilty of, all the time, and he's never been criminally convicted of anything.

 

Is that really the kind of broad brushed flamebaiting that you want to resort to rather than reasoned argument?
That is the argumentative approach you use against Biden and any other politician not named Trump.

 

Total BS!
Totally LMAO!
This (below) is Utter BS:
"A great majority of the American People already understand that Briden was bribed by Ukraine"
^That is like saying:
"A great majority of the American People already understand that Bigfoot is Real"
TL;DR--An Epic FAIL of a Post...

 

The difference is there is PLENTY of evidence against tRaitor tRump. A lot of it from Republicans and, until tRaitor tRump, former Republicans and former tRaitor tRump supporters. Some of the evidence against tRaitor tRump came from his own big mouth and his little hands.

But no one, even noone, believes the lies being spread about President Biden … because there is nothing to back them up.

 

Fake News, it's true.

The FBI/CIA all knew that Carter Page was a CIA asset, not a Russian asset, yet they lied to the FISA court in order to illegally spy on a candidate, in order to fix the election and then failing that, to try to drive him from office and rig the upcoming election.

The FBI and CIA knew that the Hunter laptop was his and not planted Russian information, yet they lied to the American People to rig the election, and this time they succeeded. Now they face another election, that will be more difficult to rig, so they are trying to rig this election with a steady stream of indictments during the election season, these Michigan indictments are simply the most recent, and every so many months, some other group of Democrats with crooked prosecutors, who only want to idict political opponents, not felons, will loose another set of indicts as the election comes closer. As the election closes, if Trump is still possesses the comfortable 5 point lead that he currently enjoys.

You know it, I know it, the American People know it.

Fake news. The election was rigged. We all know it. The FBI and CIA KNEW that the Hunter laptop was authentic. They knew was going to be published, and so they went around to Facebook and Twitter and claimed that a trove of Russian disinformation was about to be dropped, concerning Hunter. And when the laptop story was published, it got buried, just as they wanted, successfully rigging the election. You can't be the beneficiary of the FBI/CIA rigging the election and still get to pretend that your candidate was the legitimate winner.

This kind of flame-baiting is essentially an admission that you are defeated, I gracefully accept your surrender.

I understand that you want to have the legitimacy of winning a fair election, but when the election is rigged on your behalf, you no longer have that option.

Yes. He lost a rigged election.

Oh dear, the well of your vocabulary has run dry.

Again? Seriously?

Fake news. Ronaldus Maximius, is today called "The Great One!"

Fake news. He'd urge you to vote for RFK. RFK has already committed to cleaning out the filth and rot that infests the DNC, as one of his first acts after he wins the presidency.

If Dems run RFK, they'd sweep 40 states and both Houses of Congress, but, the corrupt Obama/Clinton filth that runs the DNC, would rather lose to Trump than win with RFK, because RFK would then control the DNC and he would promptly restore it to it's former middle class, civil rights, and environmental protection greatness, and the filth that runs the DNC want to keep their racket going with Big Pharma, the Military/Industrial complex and gross polluters.

These Michigan indictments are just the latest in the string of indictments that we will see every four or five months, all through the election season in a desperate attempt to rig the election for the guy who keeps falling down in public and getting lost on stage. His only splinter skill seems to be in using Hunter to run his global bribery empire and attempting to sow discord and division in the American People with his incessant shrieking.

 

Fake News. Jesus Christ will not be running for public office, nor would he. He was offered the control of the Kingdoms of the Earth and chose Death o the Cross, instead, because He knew that would allow the Holy Spirit to be loosed to fight heart by heart for the repentance of each and every human being and the restoration of humanity to an intimate relationship with Our Creator. For you to pretend that He would be a candidate for political office shows that you do not have even a basic understanding of who Jesus Christ is, but you should.

You repeat "not a shred of proof" as if it were an incantation.

'A majority of voters believe President Joe Biden took a $5 million bribe from a Ukrainian oligarch, a recent Harvard/HarrisX poll found. The poll asked respondents, “Do you think Joe Biden took a $5 million bribe when he was Vice President, or is that a false charge? Overall, 57 percent said Biden took a bribe."

And another poll: 'I&I/TIPP Poll : 56% Say Biden 'Likely' Took Bribes.'

Democrats are fine with him taking bribes, but Independents very much are NOT ok with Biden taking bribes while in office. While he carried Independents, it was only because the CIA/FBI rigged the election. 17% of Biden Voters would not have voted for Biden if they would have realized that the FBI/CIA were lying their asses off about the Hunter Laptop that documented their international bribery scheme, and with Biden losing 17% of his vote he would have been skunked in all the close states and Dems would have lost the Senate.

The American People won't fall for their next set of lies as easily, so that's why the Michigan Indictments, and all the other indictments that will drop between now and Nov 2024, its all about rigging yet another election.

https://www.washingtontimes.com › news › 2023 › jun › 20 › bribery-allegations-hurt-joe-biden-with-independen
Bribery allegations hurt Joe Biden with independent voters, but his ...

'Jun 20, 2023PHILADELPHIA — President Biden 's supporters are willing to give him a pass on allegations he accepted a $5 million bribe from a Ukraine businessman, but less forgiving are independent voters...'

You figure that if you keep repeating this fetish that he will not pay the price for taking bribes, and well, I don't share your assessment. And the way some of these Democrats keep dropping all these criminal charges to try to derail the Trumpian Juggernaut, they don't share your confidence either. Remember, these Michigan Indictments, just like all the other Trump indictments, are all about try to rig the 2024 election for Bribed Joe.

Oh, it's not that bad. If you want to win, and win easily, just vote for RFK in the primaries. If he wins the nomination he will sweep 40 states, both Houses of Congress and restore the Democrat Party to its former greatness, before it went corrupt and sold out to Corporatists, Gross Polluters, Big Pharma, and the Military/Industrial complex.