Mifepristone & Misoprostol - Punishing women for inducing abortion.

Not even Democrats?????

http://www.democratsforlife.org/

One in three Democrats are pro life.

 

No comparison

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No but unlike some I do understand what a seed is

 

Although you fail to understand it has no relevance in this discussion whatsoever!!!

 

Awwww, is your brain that delicate?

It looks a bit um, like you can't address the questions....

It looked a lot like you're embarrassed that you claim liberals want more babies when it's the Repubs who are against abortion and want to force women to give birth.:roflol:

 

I have no idea how that gibberish applies to abortion or anything else.......WTF is a "hun in the bun" ?????

 

HIGH FIVE to anyone who can figure out what that crap has to do with the post of mine he quoted :

Quote Originally Posted by FoxHastings View Post

There is no "admit", there is only law.

The fetus is not a person.

IF the fetus was given the same rights as other persons (not children) then it would have the same restrictions as other persons. It could NOT use another person's body to sustain it's life....you can't, I can't, other persons can't, a fetus couldn't....so it couldn't be murder but self defense..


But thank you for admitting that women would be given life sentences and executed IF abortion is declared "murder".....hardly any other "pro-"Life" person will ever mention it.

Kind of awkward to declare oneself as "Pro-Life" when attempting to destroy women's lives for doing something they've been doing for thousands of years....

Mothers, grandmothers, daughters, wives, best friends, sisters ...in jail or executed....because they dared to have sex.....and no man ever prosecuted..."""

 

Ah but I have proven this untrue many many MANY times here. The UVVA clearly proved your assertion 100% false:
Here is the whole thing:

118 STAT. 568 PUBLIC LAW 108–212—APR. 1, 2004
Apr. 1, 2004
[H.R. 1997]
Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004.
18 USC 1841 note.
To amend title 18, United States Code, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice to protect unborn children from assault and murder, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004’’ or ‘‘Laci and Conner’s Law’’.
SEC. 2. PROTECTION OF UNBORN CHILDREN.
(a) IN GENERAL.—Title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after chapter 90 the following:
‘‘CHAPTER 90A—PROTECTION OF UNBORN CHILDREN
‘‘Sec.
‘‘1841. Protection of unborn children.
‘‘§ 1841. Protection of unborn children
‘‘(a)(1) Whoever engages in conduct that violates any of the provisions of law listed in subsection (b) and thereby causes the death of, or bodily injury (as defined in section 1365) to, a child, who is in utero at the time the conduct takes place, is guilty of a separate offense under this section.
‘‘(2)(A) Except as otherwise provided in this paragraph, the punishment for that separate offense is the same as the punishment provided under Federal law for that conduct had that injury or death occurred to the unborn child’s mother.
‘‘(B) An offense under this section does not require proof that— ‘‘(i) the person engaging in the conduct had knowledge or should have had knowledge that the victim of the underlying
offense was pregnant; or
‘‘(ii) the defendant intended to cause the death of, or bodily
injury to, the unborn child.
‘‘(C) If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall instead of being punished under subparagraph (A), be punished as provided under sections 1111, 1112, and 1113 of this title for intentionally killing or attempting to kill a human being.
‘‘(D) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the death penalty shall not be imposed for an offense under this section. ‘‘(b) The provisions referred to in subsection (a) are the fol-
lowing:
‘‘(1) Sections 36, 37, 43, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 229,
242, 245, 247, 248, 351, 831, 844(d), (f), (h)(1), and (i), 924(j),
Public Law 108–212 108th Congress
An Act
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PUBLIC LAW 108–212—APR. 1, 2004 118 STAT. 569
930, 1111, 1112, 1113, 1114, 1116, 1118, 1119, 1120, 1121, 1153(a), 1201(a), 1203, 1365(a), 1501, 1503, 1505, 1512, 1513, 1751, 1864, 1951, 1952 (a)(1)(B), (a)(2)(B), and (a)(3)(B), 1958, 1959, 1992, 2113, 2114, 2116, 2118, 2119, 2191, 2231, 2241(a), 2245, 2261, 2261A, 2280, 2281, 2332, 2332a, 2332b, 2340A, and 2441 of this title.
‘‘(2) Section 408(e) of the Controlled Substances Act of 1970 (21 U.S.C. 848(e)).
‘‘(3) Section 202 of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 (42 U.S.C. 2283).
‘‘(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution—
‘‘(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person author- ized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;
‘‘(2) of any person for any medical treatment of the pregnant woman or her unborn child; or
‘‘(3) of any woman with respect to her unborn child.
‘‘(d) As used in this section, the term ‘unborn child’ means a child in utero, and the term ‘child in utero’ or ‘child, who is in utero’ means a member of the species homo sapiens, at any
stage of development, who is carried in the womb.’’.
(b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT.—The table of chapters for part I
of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after the item relating to chapter 90 the following new item:
‘‘90A. Protection of unborn children .............................................................. 1841’’. SEC. 3. MILITARY JUSTICE SYSTEM.
(a) PROTECTION OF UNBORN CHILDREN.—Subchapter X of chapter 47 of title 10, United States Code (the Uniform Code of Military Justice), is amended by inserting after section 919 (article 119) the following new section:
‘‘§ 919a. Art. 119a. Death or injury of an unborn child
‘‘(a)(1) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in con- duct that violates any of the provisions of law listed in subsection (b) and thereby causes the death of, or bodily injury (as defined in section 1365 of title 1 to, a child, who is in utero at the time the conduct takes place, is guilty of a separate offense under this section and shall, upon conviction, be punished by such punish- ment, other than death, as a court-martial may direct, which shall be consistent with the punishments prescribed by the President for that conduct had that injury or death occurred to the unborn child’s mother.
‘‘(2) An offense under this section does not require proof that— ‘‘(i) the person engaging in the conduct had knowledge or should have had knowledge that the victim of the underlying
offense was pregnant; or
‘‘(ii) the accused intended to cause the death of, or bodily
injury to, the unborn child.
‘‘(3) If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall, instead of being punished under paragraph (1), be punished as provided under sections 880, 918, and 919(a) of this title (articles 80, 118, and 119(a)) for intentionally killing or attempting to kill a human being.
118 STAT. 570 PUBLIC LAW 108–212—APR. 1, 2004
‘‘(4) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the death penalty shall not be imposed for an offense under this section. ‘‘(b) The provisions referred to in subsection (a) are sections 918, 919(a), 919(b)(2), 920(a), 922, 924, 926, and 928 of this title (articles 118, 119(a), 119(b)(2), 120(a), 122, 124, 126, and 12. ‘‘(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the
prosecution—
‘‘(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for
which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person author- ized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;
‘‘(2) of any person for any medical treatment of the pregnant woman or her unborn child; or
‘‘(3) of any woman with respect to her unborn child.
‘‘(d) In this section, the term ‘unborn child’ means a child in utero, and the term ‘child in utero’ or ‘child, who is in utero’ means a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of
development, who is carried in the womb.’’.
(b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT.—The table of sections at the begin-
ning of such subchapter is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 919 the following new item:
‘‘919a. 119a. Death or injury of an unborn child.’’. Approved April 1, 2004.
LEGISLATIVE HISTORY—H.R. 1997 (S. 1019):
HOUSE REPORTS: No. 108–420, Pt. 1 (Comm. on the Judiciary). CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, Vol. 150 (2004):

MIC DROP!

(picking mic up to add this)


BTW not everyone who has sex becomes pregnant, so your logic is badly flawed in claiming protecting unborn children is punishing women for having sex. It is actually an ignorant position.

 

Mic drop! Bwaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaaa

Yo! Lets just turn the whole country into a prison! Problem solved! Peace out! Mic drop

Thank you for that!

 

So you think the whole country is out there committing abortion homicides? LOL.

That would be hilarious if it weren't so sad. You should change your social circles man, SERIOUSLY!

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NOPE!!!!!!

Once again, not all who have sex get pregnant, so your entire line of argument is idiotic!

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The same cast of characters keeps on posting the same nonsense, even after I have thoroughly debunked it.
Oh well.

 

Funny how there are no posts by you debunking anything......just ranting and hysterics..

 

0% are committing 'abortion homicides' because there is no such thing.

You haven't debunked anything.

 

No, I don't thing that at all. I think that people are free to choose what they think is best for themselves and do not need the government involved in their business. Those inside my circle are there because they have earned my trust. Those, whose words don't match their actions can flock with their own kind.

Since you brought up my circle, there is one man worth mentioning. I grew up without a father, so my mother put me in the Big Brothers program. I could not have ended up with a better example to follow. Even though he was busy with a successful career, he took the time to spend with me every week. I grew up poor and lived in a bad neighborhood, but he was always there to help me make the right choices. Without him, I would likely be in prison. (Or dead)

You only want to discuss their little lives while they are in the womb.

 

WOW, project much? I am the only one posting factual information, such as the actual language of the actual law we have been discussing. You? Nothing but barking and howling and chasing your own tail.

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Apparently you haven't read any of my posts. Denial does not change the facts.

 

Nope, we can discuss their lives after they dodge the abortion bullet, but it isn't relevant in an abortion forum. If the possibility they will live through hard times isn't enough reason to kill them after they are born, it doesn't justify killing them while in the womb either.

 

I already gave you a WIN in that column. No more legal abortion. What is your plan on dealing with:

Black market abortions.
Morning after pills.
Medical tourism.
Imprisoning those who ran to a doctor because the black market abortion put her life at risk.
Caring for the millions of additional children.
Throwing away all hopes of having accurate records on abortion making it impossible to know if any difference was made.
Taking away professional counseling for those going through an unwanted pregnancy because girls are now afraid to incriminate themselves.
Imprisoning the men falsely accused of rape so she can avoid going to prison. (In many countries that outlaw abortion, you need 5 male witnesses to accuse someone of rape. This never happens, so the victim gets stoned to death.)

Outlawing abortion has consequences. Is it still considered "personal responsibility" if they are ignored?

 

Same as we handle any other illegal homicides now.

 

You better build a whole lot of prisons

 

No need, just as murders now are not rampant because of the laws against them, when the laws change most people will comply. To suggest otherwise defies our experience in the past and presently.

 

Well its a fantasy that will never happen so we will never know. If it did it would only stop abortions for poor women. Rich women would always get abortions. The border of mexico and canada would see a BOOM in abortion clinics. It will never happen

 

The past doesn't "suggest", it just has facts.......and in the past few thousand years abortion has been common whether legal or not...


I see you couldn't address the other poster's questions:

""""""What is your plan on dealing with:

Black market abortions.
Morning after pills.
Medical tourism.
Imprisoning those who ran to a doctor because the black market abortion put her life at risk.
Caring for the millions of additional children.
Throwing away all hopes of having accurate records on abortion making it impossible to know if any difference was made.
Taking away professional counseling for those going through an unwanted pregnancy because girls are now afraid to incriminate themselves.
Imprisoning the men falsely accused of rape so she can avoid going to prison. (in many countries that outlaw abortion, you need 5 male witnesses to accuse someone of rape. This never happens, so the victim gets stoned to death.)"""""

 

These issues do not exist now. They only exist in the world you are trying to create and you have not been willing to do more than dodge and ignore. You can't push personal responsibility and ignore consequences at the same time. Do you have any realistic solutions or are we back to "Abortion is bad, M'kay!"

 

Nah, no hard data so nothing of value there.

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WRONG!!! Homicides are committed and avoided now every day of every week. Abortions are just homicides, nothing magical about em,.

 

LEGAL homicides so they are perfectly OK!

 

Just like the war on drugs? Criminals no longer carry guns because it's against the law! Outlawing alcohol was such a success! Look how our prisons are emptying out as more laws are added to the books!!!!

 

Fair enough. You have nothing beyond crying out "abortion is murder" Maybe if you get some hats made and carry a sign, people will think you really care. While you're at it, you can claim you care about the homeless by not being one of them.