Mike Pence takes a shot at Humpty Trumpty

Read it again.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-humpty-trumpty.609045/page-2#post-1074092364

 

He knows the ONLY reason Trump got the Evangelicals on board in 2015 was that he was there. Now the evangelicals are a banding Trump he is hoping to attract that base

 

What is the difference between Donald Trump and God? God won’t tell you he is Donald Trump

 

Well, maybe Trump will select another like Pence to attract them. It would better if it's a black woman. It worked for Biden, although I don't recall the Hyhena claiming to be very religious.

 

Aaaaaand there it is folks! Yet another Republican insult thrown at a woman in power. And this is why Nicky Hayley would have more chance if she gender transitioned

 

If you think that evangelists are going to endorse your baby killing party, you are sadly mistaken.

 

You have be baffled. You say you are a Christian by virtue of being the Son of God and a Jesus disciple, yet that does not prevent you from personal abuse.

Weird. I don't 'get' it.'

 

Ah-ha!
Then you have the god-given gift to discern a real Christian from a fake Christian.
Who woulda thought?

 

Pence is a Christo-fascist power-hungry snake who spent 4 yrs enabling Trump and his corrupt cronies.
If he did "wake up" he'd be "woke" and have to agree with all you, me and millions of others say about him.

 

I have one gift that comes with nine manifestations. So in a sense you're correct.

 

"a" son of God. There's a distinction. Being a disciple of Jesus involves behavior. Sometimes I am. Sometimes I'm not. If you mean I'm capable of dishing out abuse or receiving it, that's correct on both points. That again is merely behavior which affects my fellowship with God, not my relationship with Him.

 

If the shoe fits . . . .

 

Cute, convenient (and I suspect, rote from some happy clapping pulpit) rationalisation. Regular sinner and then good bloke and then sinner and on, but because you claim to be a Son of God, all is ultimately forgiven, and you have a self granted get out of jail free card.

Nah. Does not pass my pub test. But.......each to their own.

Carry on. No skin off my nose.

 

You forget that the point of this discussion was relevant to "MY standard". It was never about yours. You got what you asked for.

 

I know there's a lot of diversity in Christian theology. Is there a particular denomination you're coming from? Usually for protestants, it's more about belief than behavior - though genuine belief would affect behavior. The core belief is in Jesus's sacrifice and what it meant.

Now, there is variation on things like if that belief is truly freely chosen or if they're chosen by god to believe. Omniscience on what the choice will be doesn't actually imply a lack of free choice. But the way you phrased it sounded more like how Jews traditionally saw their people, as simply chosen by birth and ancestry. Were you saying you were chosen to believe, and that's why you're a son of god?

 

I "came" from a nondenominational biblical research ministry.

I have Protestant leanings.

I have a slightly different belief, but not enough to quibble over. My understanding and position on Omniscience has evolved over time.

This is where it gets complicated. If a person is chosen to believe then are those who fall away and become atheists chosen to disbelieve?

 

Well as I said, theology varies. I am not religious, but have taken time to understand some.

I have seen two major proposals. First, people make a completely free choice to believe in Jesus, perhaps with roadblocks put up by satan, and that through being all-knowing god simply knows who will and who will not succeed. Second, there is no free choice and people are made to do what they will do as part of god's plan (like in the old testament, how god hardened the Pharoah's heart). That would be "chosen." The problem with the second one is that if people are simply born to be non-believers, and can't choose otherwise, how can one justify punishing them? Of course, there is variation on what exactly hell is as well. Whether it's literal torture and fire, a lack of existence, or simply being separated from god. It's all interesting to me because I can't relate to being able to believe in it, though I can relate to the desire to. I still have a more fundamental problem with the idea of requiring something illogical like faith to make up for being made inherently sinful. The whole system seems illogical and unfair, and therefore not the product of a benevolent creator.

 

I know it can be baffling. Before a person draws a conclusion about what happens to unbelievers they should consider what happens to all those who never had the opportunity to hear the "Word" of God. Are they doomed?

 

Pence is a hypocrite.

 

Very well could be. I haven't followed/listened to him enough to draw that conclusion. But he definitely showed a lack of class in his joke about Trump. I know people that read the Bible every day that are hypocrites and jerks. And I know people that never read the Bible that are angels.

 

No, Pence is just another mediocre politician who is trying to grab the presidential brass ring before he hangs it up. The list of them is endless. Many old politicians that are getting ready to retire make a last desperate run from president. All of them have failed, except Biden. The one difference is that Biden is far below "mediocre." He's terrible.