Milestone: More private sector jobs today than when Obama took office.

You are missing this and I am not arguing you numbers but I am arguing the actual impact.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/20/business/economy/20charts.html

Exports = manufacturing
manufacturing = jobs
jobs = tax revenue
jobs = income
income = less dependence on the welfare system
less dependence on the welfare system = lower government expenditures
lower government expenditures = less or no borrowing
less or no borrowing = less national debt and a chance to pay down what we have
disappearing debt = lower taxes

 

This is like one of those Direct TV commercials.

 

If you have no data or information to support your claim, it doesn't amount to anything more than your unsupported claims. Maybe others find that persuasive.

 

Common sense here. I mean I could look up the information but it will only jive with what I have posted. You do know what a budget is do you not?

 

Thanks. But your "common sense" is not data or information, especially when it is so against common sense.

 

Does it seem logical to you to allow people to vote on how to spend money when they are not contributing any of the money?

 

Sure. That is what a democracy is. We don't exclude people because they don't have a certain income threshold or can pay a poll tax.

 

So let's see what happens if we 'arbitrarily' increase middle-class wages?

It creates inflation.

Higher product costs will lower global competitiveness.

Forces more outsourcing to lower cost material and labor.

Price sensitive businesses will close the doors.

Government will get a 'few' more tax dollars.

BTW and lastly; you and government do not decide middle-class wages in the business world...

 

And your sense is illogical.

 

And your sense bizarre. What to trade a few more ad homs?

 

Or it will reduce the portion of the wealth and income the 1% take of the total pie, and promote stronger economic growth as spending increases.

 

What about this do you not understand?

 

The part about how that is supposed to pass for data from a reliable source supporting your claim.

 

Exports = manufacturing - So if our product exports increase there is no increase in manufacturing? I suppose our exports could increase and manufacturing could stay the same if domestic consumption decreased or was never realized? Face it this is a truth and everything that follows is true as well. We will not be paying top wages but that is irrelevant if it reduces expenditures.

manufacturing = jobs
jobs = tax revenue
jobs = income
income = less dependence on the welfare system
less dependence on the welfare system = lower government expenditures
lower government expenditures = less or no borrowing
less or no borrowing = less national debt and a chance to pay down what we have
disappearing debt = lower taxes

 

You've already said this. Repeating it does not make it support your claim that for the poorer "most part any disposable income that is not put into a car or home ends up leaving the country" any more than the first time you wrote it.

 

Oh that I thought you meant the other part.

Computers and other electronic devices are made in China. They account for $144 billion of the $558 billion trade deficit in 2011. So if we look at the trade deficit things change quite a bit from your estimate and $737.1 billion was the goods deficit in 2011.

So what does that mean in real terms? $737,100,000 ,000 in lost US revenues.

And? Well this is what really should be refereed to as a shrinking national wealth.

http://thebreakthrough.org/archive/taking_on_the_three_deficits_a

Farming out work is directly related to budget deficits and national debt.

 

Keep drinking the Koolaid...

 

But we can exclude those who pay no tax...

 

Is that all tax, or just some random arbitrary tax picked to exclude people from voting?

 

We can exclude lots of folks. We can exclude women, blacks. But then its not a true democracy.

 

It was a philosophical statement; do you believe people who pay no taxes should determine how much tax others pay?

 

I'm curious why you believe people who pay no taxes can determine how much taxes others pay?

If we elect representatives and presidents to manage the nation, it is their job to determine who pays and how much they pay in taxation.

 

Lots of people don't pay taxes for all sorts of reasons. But fundamentally, I do not believe in a democracy that you exclude people based on income.

 

And IMO you do not allow people to vote on taxation...

 

Absolutely! The Right is in fact sabotaging the recovery by forcing the layoff of government workers.

If the private sector employment increase under Obama was not balanced by the laying off of government workers (as per the GOP's wishes), we would be much closer to 7% unemployment or even less!