Million Dollar Donations To PotUS Elections

No that aint how it works. You are being simple if you think that all states have the same voting power per person in the Electoral College. In fact, actually today, the effect is massively unfair and unjust.

But why?

From the definition of the Electoral College on Wikipedia (here):

Five elections in the history of the US have shown that the EC is quite capable of electing the loser of the popular-vote. This should be good enough reason to change the manner in which the EC reports the votes to Congress.

But, supposedly, we can't do that because it was instituted by means of Amendment 12 - which would require a majority of states (actual state voters) to effect.

I say, we, the sheeple, put that up to a national discussion and vote an amendment to the amendment. Which stipulates simply and clearly that the number of votes for all candidates be reported by the EC directly to Congress. And the "First-past-the-post EC-Counting Method" is considered null-and-void because it actually DESTROYS REGISTERED VOTERS' VOTES for the minority-vote candidate.

Which is unacceptable in any Real Democracy ... !

 

all the states themselves have the same power (that is having a say, without the ec dozens of states won't have a say at all), the people only count for the state that they live in, plain & simple... the 'union' is one between the states themselves, which all agreed to it from onset...
the only ones whining about the ec are those that hate america & the constitution & foriegners living in shitholes... the whiney progs/libs are free to move to france or venezuala, whichever they prefer...

 

the GOP did that... don't blame it on dems

 

yes, so, what does that have to do with the popular vote, Trump lost the popular vote, he got less votes then Hillary, that is just a fact for the history books, like it or not

just like Trump is still our President... like it or not

 

You don't seem to understand that the presidential election is National in nature.

There is no need whatsoever for an Electoral College in each state. No other developed economy has replicated the EC in order to determine the Head of Government. But, yes, most comparable countries do not elect presidents either. (Or, when they do, the position has no administrative control of budgeting.)

And for good reason they don't have an EC. Europe, just after the war, was looking to redo its voting-system. And the US, though grateful for the war effort, was not the country they decided to emulate.

It is patently evident that the EC is a means to manipulate the popular-vote, but it is this latter that should be the Only Vote necessary to elect any public official. It is in the US - where sick-minds have invented gerrymandering to manipulate the popular-vote.

You think you a living in a Real Democracy? Well, a Real Democracy does not manipulate the popular-vote ... !

 

Every single person (lefty) in this country that has been whining about the Electoral College will change their stance faster than a strike of lightning the second a Republican wins the popular vote. Instantly they will love the EC if it results in a loser, um I mean democrat getting in the house. That is how life works.

 

you fail to recognize the simple fact that the constitution & the ec were drawn up to entice each state to join the union (usa), it was done to protect each state's individuality while providing an equal voice in the federal government... without the ec, many states will fall by the weighside & be over run by the big city states... we do not wish to emulate europe in any fashion, especially france...

 

it has everything to do with it... thankfully we have the ec or the entire country would be a shithole of the california kind...

 

California is left, Texas is right, they cancel each other out

 

In many ways you are right (or Right) - whichever.

Either we get it RIGHT or the whole country goes down the pughole - and to think that it can't happen in America-the-Greatest is sheer folly.

That's what they thought of Rome. For over 400 years. But it too inevitably fell.

Invincible from without. Eaten away from within ...

 

A TRUE REPUBLICAN DEMOCRACY

Except that according to present rules, the state EC-voting is out of proportion to its real population in many of the smaller states. (Which is how Donald Dork got elected.) That distorted EC-map looks like this:


MY POINT:
*The equal voice in Congress of each state in terms of lawmaking is guaranteed by the vote of the Senate without which No Law Can Be Passed. (Only two senators per state.)
*The HofR should be elected based solely upon population. Both are results of the popular-vote - except that the HofR-vote is manipulated by Gerrymandering. There's a chance we will rid ourselves of that error. (The SC doesn't seem to want to touch it, however.)
*That leaves just the vote for PotUS - and all that needs is a simple remodelling of the 12th Amendment that stipulates only the popular-vote should be counted and its whole reported to Congress (which announces the National Winner of the presidential vote). No "First-past-the-post counting idiocy" - which effectively negates* all the votes that should be allocated to whoever comes in second at the state level!

That's all it takes for America to obtain a true-republican-democracy ...

*What sort of democracy negates/nullifies the proportional voting-will of the public? See map from here:

 

Great Britons' people don't vote for prime minister. It doesn't matter to us not one iota what other countries do. Why would it?

 

Oh yes the do.

They know full well that the head of the dominant party in any election in the British legislature is ipso-facto the next PM ...

 

They could try and stop putting sugar and fat into every product they produce, especially toothpaste..

 

Only when Demand lessens for sweet-foods because the American consumer wants to stop getting fat.

I see no reason that such will become an imposing fact any time soon ...

 

Like I said, they don't mark a ballot for PM. Dress it up and you're still wrong. Nor would it make any difference if you were right.
We're not changing anything just to appease you.

 

And so what? Ballots are employed to vote legislatures and senates in both countries, the EU and the US!

That's all that matters!

This is a Debate Forum, and not a Message Board for people whose only rebuttal is sarcasm ...

 

Ahhhh, yes, good ol' Europe.... The continent that brought us two world wars, the bubonic plague and dictators like Hitler and Stalin.

I am so glad people from Europe are coming here and showing us the errors of our ways and how WE should be more like them.

 

ABOUT EXPATS

Pathetic rebuttal of no consequence whatsoever. You demonstrate having no idea whatsoever of WW2 deaths.

To wit, Europeans everywhere are grateful for the fact that America freed Europe from the Nazis. I hear it personally all the time, all the time, all the time. But not many mention the fact that statistically even more Russian than American soldiers died also defeating the Nazis.

I am not "there", I am over "here" (in France) along with about half a million other Yanks (not including those on military service). I suspect that if you asked them if life here was worth the higher personal costs, they's say yes in a flash. With the advantages of very, very low Healthcare costs and nearly-free post-secondary education most will say those were the two functional reasons that they remain. The way of life and perhaps a European wife/husband being far more important.

They are amazed nonetheless with the American electoral system. That half a million of OUR FELLOW CITIZENS here in Europe have no real representation whatsoever in Congress. We have to vote in the state of our last residence, which could not give a damn about their expats abroad. But, Uncle Sam, nonetheless requires us to pay taxes on earnings abroad along which me must do whilst also paying local income taxes wherever we live on incomes above $100K!

So, yes, we Yanks abroad (who are not billionaires that have their money hidden in offshore accounts) are getting SHAFTED FINANCIALLY for the simple fact that we were born in the US ...

 

Did you know that the States don't even have to let the People vote for the President? In fact Washington was elected to President both times SOLELY by the EC votes. Even in Adams time there were 9 States which did not allow The People to choose who the President was. 7 Did.

 

And so? That is all history, one that was previously misconceived in terms of voting regulation; and which should be corrected. And not allowed to stand because it is our "hallowed American history as a republican-democracy".

Which is flawed! FIRST-PAST-THE-POST VOTING (ie., "winner-take-all") must be renounced and the popular-vote the sole number reported to Congress!

 

Sorry but that's not going to happen. In order to do that the Constitution must be amended. And I don't think the majority of Americans actually support mob rule. Besides, no State is going to give up that power.

 

You are in no position whatsoever to forecast the future of America's republican-democracy. It's just wishful-thinking on your part.

Opinion-shift could occur and a "miracle" might happen. (And, yes, personally, I am not counting on it any time soon.)

But a couple of Donald-Dork presidencies elected in the same unfortunate and ill-conceived manner just might do the trick ...

 

We?

 

From the Internet, here: Article Five of the United States Constitution

So, any repair of Amendment 12 aint-gonna-happin any time soon.

The easiest way for a democracy to degrade is not to repair its errors* ...

*Nobody really cared about the fact that Bush2 defeated Al Gore. That's a shame, because we, the sheeple, should have demanded that the EC vote be compiled according to simple arithmetic a long, long time ago. In that manner, we would have today a Truly Real Democracy.