Millions of Poor Are Left Uncovered by Health Law

At this point... it's more like the: Let's wait and see what happens.

We could not go along with the status quo forever.

 

Where have you guys been the last 3 years? There seems to be no end to the suicidal march of the Red States.

First, let's get past the funding argument. The cost of the expanded Medicaid was covered with the new taxes included in the ACA on businesses, insurance companies and some areas of the health care industry. The total collected in these revenue sources fully fund all ACA cost when combined with the rather modest savings projections from preventive medicine. When your state does not expand Medicaid, the you leave the funds in the general funds even though your businesses in the state still pay the tax. Your local hospitals still will receive reduced federal funding while still having to swallow the losses from the uninsured. So you get to pay most all of the costs with no benefits.

If you state does accept expanded Medicaid the the Feds cover 100% for the first 3 years and then ramps down to 90% over the next 5 years where it stays. Using the ramp, the additional savings to the state should repay any start up costs of the expansion and the increased economic activity that results from the expanded coverage should more than cover any other state costs with increased tax base.

The trap those poor people in the rejecting states is cruel at best. Not only are they not eligible for Medicaid, but they aren't eligible for the federal subsidy either. With the assumption that Medicaid would cover the poor, you have to make at least 133% of the poverty line to be eligible for any subsidy. So you'll have the odd combination of someone making double or more than the poorer residents any getting low cost or even free health insurance while the poor have none.

 

Yeah. when you actually say something that can be substantiated I suspect the moon will turn black.

 

Indeed.

 

For the first 3 years the Federal Government pays 100% of the costs, after that they pay 90% of the costs.

 

You left the important part out.

Because they live in states largely controlled by Republicans that have declined to participate in a vast expansion of Medicaid, the medical insurance program for the poor...
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Even worse:

The 26 states that have rejected the Medicaid expansion are home to about half of the country’s population, but about 68 percent of poor, uninsured blacks and single mothers. About 60 percent of the country’s uninsured working poor are in those states.
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So, I guess if they want affordable care act, they should get out and vote for the right people.

 

The states have the option of expanding Medicaid, with 100% funding by the Federal Government for the next 3 years, and 90% after that. That would cover the vast majority of that group of uninsured. The red states in the chart have chosen to throw that group under the bus by refusing to insure them through their medicaid program.

 

Actually, it's painfully obvious that you likely just cut and pasted from that far right-wing "haven," Free republic, and didn't bother reading the entire article.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3074471/posts

Otherwise, you would've read the second paragraph of that article:

Because they live in states largely controlled by Republicans that have declined to participate in a vast expansion of Medicaid, the medical insurance program for the poor,
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Lol...right-wing lemmings.

 

Let me see if I understand this correctly.

You who oppose Obamacare- and I assume have fought against it from the beginning- are shocked- shocked I tell you- that some people in poverty will still not be able have insurance despite all of your efforts to prevent them from getting insurance under Obamacare?

Meanwhile- if you had read the article it explains exactly why- and its because the hard work of Republicans that they will not be covered- I quote from your article:

Because they live in states largely controlled by Republicans that have declined to participate in a vast expansion of Medicaid, the medical insurance program for the poor, they are among the eight million Americans who are impoverished, uninsured and ineligible for help.

 

More interesting quotes from the article

The 26 states that have rejected the Medicaid expansion are home to about half of the country’s population, but about 68 percent of poor, uninsured blacks and single mothers. About 60 percent of the country’s uninsured working poor are in those states. Among those excluded are about 435,000 cashiers, 341,000 cooks and 253,000 nurses’ aides.

“The irony is that these states that are rejecting Medicaid expansion — many of them Southern — are the very places where the concentration of poverty and lack of health insurance are the most acute,” said Dr. H. Jack Geiger, a founder of the community health center model. “It is their populations that have the highest burden of illness and costs to the entire health care system.”

 

At this point in the exposure of what ObamaCare ACA has been revealed to contain...

If you're still an ObamaCare supporter, you're a Pawn, Dupe and a Tool.

If you're on the fence, trying to figure out why ObamaCare is the totally ineffective disaster it appears to be?

Well, you need to understand, ObamaCare was NEVER intended to solve a single problem in America's Health system.

ObamaCare was only marginally intended to address issues with America's Health Insurance system.

ObamaCare was COVER, Camouflage and a very complex, expensive and elaborate disguise to allow the passage of OTHER legislation which never could have been passed if it were presented in a bill covering just that legislation on its own!

ObamaCare was created to get the new, sweeping, and monumental expansion of Higher Education RACIAL PREFERENCES passed!

If the Higher Education Funding Control measures, Racial Preferences and Diversity Review Boards had been presented in a bill containing just those measures, it would have be soundly rejected, and anyone presenting such Unconstitutional Filth would have taken a huge political capital loss.

By slipping the University Funding Race Czar Legislation into the 33000 pages (and counting ) of ObamaCare ACA and is subsequent Regulations, nobody has even noticed it yet.

YET!

When Americans find out just how ludicrous vast expansion of Rampant Racial Exclusion, Preference, and Denials is in those hidden Racial Preferences, they will be outraged!

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What the hell are you talking about?

 

Why not then compromise its clear the low income need government coverage so keep the Medicaid coverage as per the ACA save the Federal government will cover the full cost of expanding it and take over the system, in return they give up Exchanges for a Catastrophic Coverage Plan that is actually affordable based on income IF they have no other insurance. States can use the Medicaid funds they were spending on state supplemental programs for the poor and projects.

Of course the taxes have to stay in place and a penalty for not having a Catastrophic Plan that has teeth, it has to be more than for not being covered. I would do this for each year you opt out when you do get coverage add 2.5% to the cost of the insurance for life per year. You hold out five years and are not insured when you do opt in you pay 12.5% more for your insurance excluding Medicare. It would be fair.

Why can't this work?

 

This has been discussed on this forum, and most other American Political Forums, dozens and dozens of times already.

The following is a copy of the text from one of the many times I have submitted the information on THIS forum, the first of 18 articles about the subject, which I presented, in an argument made, that no one else believes there are racial preferences in ObamaCare.

The Articles range from the New York Times, to the Washington Post, to Foreign News Papers, American Blogs, People's Face Book discussions, and other Political Forums.

It proves that the ObamaCare Racial Preferences are REAL, Documented, and are of Critical Interest by a wide range of people from Constitutional Lawyers, to Main Stream Press Journalists, to common Union Workers.

The Point of the 18 Articles quoted, is that it IS an important subject, that the Racial Preferences in Obama Care are Real, Well Documented, and being Implemented!

 

Whyever would a state not want to cough up their share of an additional $50B a year after three years==averaging to $1,000,000,000.00 per state? One can only wonder. Oh that's right--they can't print themselves currency like the federal government does.

 

Okay I won't dismiss it out of hand.

Do you have a credible source on this- which I don't consider the American Thinker to be? I want to try to be open minded on this but American Thinker has shown itself to be both inaccurate and politically biased.

So- a mainstream, credible source that I can read?

 

See below:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20121107083137AAnO8WY

Jay Vega asked 11 months ago -
(Tiebreaker)

Now that President Barack Obama has been re-elected, I am trying to do all that I can as a good American to support his programs. I am already in the process of applying for Supplemental Nutrition Assistance (SNAP, formerly food stamps) and also want to take full advantage of ObamaCare but want to make sure that I will be able to do so without being out of pocket any money for monthly premiums or any other fees. This is assuming my income is either zero, or close to zero.

I have heard on conservative talk shows that ObamaCare will be quite costly and that if a person doesn't pay for it they will have to pay a penalty of $2k+. The President is supposed to take care of his people and that doesn't sound like something President Obama would do to us. Can you please clarify. I'm hoping the burden will either go to the rich and middle class or be passed on to future generations because I have no interest in actually paying for it. I mean, heck, I haven't even been to a doctor in well over a decade.

More than 11% of Americans are unemployed. Some people haven't worked in the five years that Obama is president. Who will pay their ObamaCare fees since they are not able to afford the fees?

 

Try Google:Racial Preferences ObamaCare

All 18 of the original posts I made can be found on :

http://www.politicalforum.com/showt...hlight=Racial+Preferences+Obama+Care,+Article

on this forum anyway.

The Rank and File Left is still in denial that ObamaCare even has racial preferences in it.

The Ethnocentric Cynical Leftie Leadership has carefully been down playing the Racial Preferences, to get as much mileage out of the Political Camoflage as possible.

The Racial Preferences are the single most important and society impacting element in ObamaCare, as will be shown over the next couple of decades.

If you are a White American Middle Class citizen, ObamaCare is your, and your children's and grandchildren's death knell, you just don't know it yet.


Do You KNOW the NAME of your District's ObamaCare RACE CZAR?!

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Great job of not responding to my actual post!

Here let's try that again:

Let me see if I understand this correctly.

You who oppose Obamacare- and I assume have fought against it from the beginning- are shocked- shocked I tell you- that some people in poverty will still not be able have insurance despite all of your efforts to prevent them from getting insurance under Obamacare?

Meanwhile- if you had read the article it explains exactly why- and its because the hard work of Republicans that they will not be covered- I quote from your article:

Because they live in states largely controlled by Republicans that have declined to participate in a vast expansion of Medicaid, the medical insurance program for the poor, they are among the eight million Americans who are impoverished, uninsured and ineligible for help.

If you want to know why millions of America's poor will not be covered by the ACA- just read the article you cited- its because of Republicans.

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So you don't know of any credible source.

Okay.

 

Where do you get your numbers? or do you just make them up?

 

Hmm..., Is that why we keep borrowing from China?

 

End all foreign conflicts, cut the military budget 30%, cut subsidies to farms unless actual classic family farms and do other things there is money there we could cut our military forces by half and still have a more than adequate national defense from invasion and to aid humanitarian missions.

 

all expire in due course
no doctor can prevent this
to say medical treatment is more than a method to put off the inevitable
is to spew foolishness
the poor will always be with you
spend time keeping yourself healthy
and should you live past the usual life time
then others will listen to what you have to say
otherwise
physical
heal
thyself

 

Does that include cutting all those entitlements other than Medicare and Social Security (we have all paid into those)? You know like rural electrification, SNAP, Welfare, subsidizing illegal aliens, abortions, etc? Then I'm all for it.