The irony is that most of the white people in Mississippi are also paranoid about the black population "breeding out of control" (although these fears, at least for blacks, are statistically unfounded). The other irony is that African Americans are the group most in favor of the right to abortion. I do not know, perhaps the voters in Mississipi would be open to the idea of letting each race decide the abortion laws for their own people. Nearly all the blacks do not want religious white people telling them what they can and cannot do. And many whites in the state probably secretly wish there was way to ban abortions of white babies, but allow them for blacks.
Mississippi now has the nation's highest teen pregnancy rate. Mississippi's rate was more than 60 percent higher than the national average in 2006, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said. The teen pregnancy rate in Texas and New Mexico was more than 50 percent higher. The three states have large proportions of black and Hispanic teenagers - groups that traditionally have higher birth rates, experts noted. In Mississippi, there were about 68 births for every 1,000 women, ages 15 through 19 in 2006. A variety of factors influence teen pregnancy rates, including culture, poverty and racial demographics. "It's more costly for youth in the Northeast to have a teen birth than for youth in the South, in terms of opportunities they'll miss," explained David Landry, a researcher at the Guttmacher Institute. Some experts have blamed the national increase on increased federal funding for abstinence-only health education that does not teach teens how to use condoms and other contraception. Abortion decreases crime! In the early 1990s, just as the first cohort of children born after Roe v. Wade was hitting its late teen years — the years during which young men enter their criminal prime — the rate of crime began to fall. What this cohort was missing, of course, were the children who stood the greatest chance of becoming criminals. And the crime rate continued to fall as an entire generation came of age minus the children whose mothers had not wanted to bring a child into the world. Legalized abortion led to less unwantedness; unwantedness leads to high crime; legalized abortion, therefore, led to less crime.
Blacks probably don't want religious zealots telling them what to do. They have their own religious beliefs. In fact, Black Americans have the highest church attendance averages of any racial group.
They want to control their own reproductive rights, but they also want to control everyone else's, because they believe they know better than the woman.
You made the claim that it is illegal to abort after a certain period. It is up to you to provide evidence for your claims. And no, it is not legal to have an abortion up until the 'moment of birth' because such a thing would never, and has never, happened.
HAHAHA yeah keeping a woman from killing her child in utero is far more barbaric than her intentionally killing her child in utero. You guys are nuts!
You should step up and control your wife, girlfriend, daughter, mother, sister, aunt and nieces and quit demanding that the government do it for you.
As a woman who sees no reason why should should be "controlled" by men, I question the meaning of the above reply. Seriously, what's next? Openly misogynist slogans like "The most dangerous place for a child is in a mother's womb"?
I think you should control your women and leave other men and women alone... instead of asking the government to control your fellow citizens. Its a mind your own business thing.
Whaler wants the government to control women.. I think he should control his own (if they will put up with that) and otherwise mind his own business. His beliefs don't offend me.. but he can't force them off on others using the government. This Mississippi Amendment is absolutely barbaric.
So what I posted was accurate, you want me to control my own women, implying that I own some women. You are advocating slavery now as well. I get it, you are old school Mississippi!
When a person dies, the law REQUIRES a determination of the cause of death and a determination if the death was caused by others. Under this new definition of "PERSON", each death of a "PERSON" (miscarriage) will REQUIRE this process, and if the mother did ANYTHING to contribute to the death, the proper application of criminal law will be REQUIRED. I see NOTHING in this LAW that says that "PERSONS" dying PRIOR to birth would be EXEMPT from these standard legal protections. Please point out these exemptions that you claim exist in the statute.
Assuming such absurdities exist in MS law, nothing in the proposed amendment prevents them from being addressed at the statutory level. And if you can find anything in the MS Constitution or statutes which would require its LE officers to investigate every miscarriage as a potentially criminal matter, you might not look stupid; so be my guest. I realize that as a leftist your mind is geared towards putting the most insane spin on whatever finds its way into your field of view, but as of now I see no reason to think the people of Mississippi are similarly addled. No. You're the one claiming MS law will demand that miscarriages be investigated as potential homicides under this amendment, so you can damm well cite the constitutional provisions and/or statutes to that effect.
Here ya' go, with statute numbers, just ONE of many laws regarding the deaths of people. Do you have a SINGLE argument that allows the state to except the new class of "persons" of fertilized eggs from criminal laws? This initially for SIDS, but an autopsy is REQUIRED for all unexplained infant deaths.
Not one of those requires any investigation in the case of a miscarriage; so if your intent is to look stupid, nice going. What would I need one for? Excuse me? And since when is "infant" synonymous with "fetus" under the law?
I agree. Anyone who has known me for long knows that I am 100% pro-choice for that exact reason: in my mind, this is a basic women's rights issue and really doesn't have anything to do with "life" or "personhood" or whatever. The people who demand legal "personhood" status for eggs are the same ones who cheered state executions and death as an idea back at that now-infamous Republican debate, and we all know it. About life they transparently do not care. About controlling women, however, they care a great deal. ...Well I share your opposition to Mississippi's Personhood Amendment (obviously, as the starter of this thread), and yes I know exactly what Whaler wants in that connection. That's why I'm not wasting my time speaking to him. But, as explained above, I personally see this as a women's rights issue, not a justification for a different form of patriarchy. No one but me has the right to decide whether or not I should carry a pregnancy to term, period. It's my body. Literally. While I reserve the right to consult family and friends on any such personal decision, in the final analysis it must be my decision as a woman. As far as I'm concerned, my friends and family have no more right to make such decisions for me than the government does. I'm a feminist, not a libertarian. I worry particularly about your use of the terms "your women" and "his women" in the above remarks. You describe us as possessions, not as people. I don't know about you, but I think of myself as an equal human being, fully capable of making my own decisions.
If a woman is related to someone like Whaler, I have no objection to his influence over her if she will put up with it, but Whaler wants the government to enforce his patriarchy and his beliefs. I am a woman with daughters and grand daughters.. The men in my family would NEVER presume to "control women" or demand the government do it for them.. To me.. that's the rub.
You seem to be the typical irrational emotional hysteria junkie leftist that infests this board these days. You claim to want freedom for women, yet advocate men "controlling their women". Your posts make you look like a stark raving mad idiot.
And they base this solely on some unsupported notion in their heads. I think it is just a convenient strawman that allows them to think they are the cowboy wearing the white hat in the Western movie, and diverts their own attention away from the fact that they are advocating the killing of children in utero intentionally!
