More guns...Lower Crime...Again!

Actually, we were not...Violent crime rose until about 1990 in every place with the exception of Florida where it had dropped for about 3 years after the 'Must Issue' concealed carry law passed. Look it up.

 

In the late 90's the Reno/Clinton Justice dept along with a host of gun grab groups like the Joyce Foundation, commissioned the national Academy of sciences (another gun control advocacy group) to study every major gun control law on the books to determine its positive effect on violent crime. accidental death and suicide. This was all in anticipation of using the resulting study to push further gun control schemes like the Scary Looking Gun ban.

After almost 5 years they reported. The result...Not a single existing gun control law had any positive measurable effect on violent crime or accidents. The Scary Gun ban did nothing, gun free zones did nothing, registration schemes did nothing, etc, etc. The waiting period under Brady made a tiny, but measurable change in suicide but the change was within the margin of error.

The study used to be on line but for the last half decade is only available if you pay for it.

 

What makes you think that is true...Kleck's study estimated 2.5 million incidents a year. The FBI estimated over 500,000 incidents a year. I can think of at least 3 occasions where mass shootings were stopped by civilians with guns.

 

Actually, one can. First you need to look at the trends in the EU...not good there while getting better every year here. Then you have to look at demographics. If one removes minorities from the crime statistics here we find we are a far less violent place than Europe. If you note Europe's changing demographics, you will see that their rising crime is in lockstep with their increasing 'diversity'...

It is not the guns that add to crime but simple demographics. I believe, in the USA, the benefits to society outweigh the down sides of diversity, but that would only be my opinion as long as we still have something approaching a color blind justice system, something increasingly uncertain under BoBo.

 

Just noting the opposite is normally the grabbers claim...more guns means shootouts on the streets. Which do not happen.

 

I read a couple of years ago in a UK source that one was 6 times more likely to get mugged in London than NYC...

 

Which include usage against animals. Hardly "crime prevention".

None of which substantially reduce crime.

This is old, however I plotted it out on my poorly designed graph. lol The states on the left are ratest highest by the Brady Campaign, ie, the most gun control. The ones on the right the least amount of gun control. The url's are on the bottom of the image.

I don't see a correlation.



Poverty. I see a correlation.

 

Yes I can. Europe doesn't have a tsunami of illegal immigrants swarming into the country every year. The U.S has a much higher population than any given country in Europe. Thirdly, show me some charts so I can analyze your claim.

 

A quick recommendation...Never, ever use anything from the Brady organization. They are notorious for simply making up numbers (not unlike Obama).

There are other sources with real numbers that might serve you better.

 

I suggest that you read the entire post, past the first part where I mention Brady Campaign. The Brady Campaign is the only place to get Brady Campaign ratings. I believe the crime stats came from "StateMaster.com"

Higher the score, the more gun control there is. Just biased in inaccurate about the Brady Campaign ratings.

 

I think that urban areas should have different laws than rural areas.

Instead of making laws that apply "statewide" laws should vary by city or county. It's common sense that you shouldn't be able to walk into a grocery store in the middle of New York with an AK-47, but in some rural areas where police take 2 hours to get to you if you need help, I can understand why it isn't so bad to own a hunting rifle or a shotgun.

 

The Charts are both labeled 'The Brady Campaign' and they do in fact simply make up numbers, notoriously...

 

The problem with that is the poor individual would have to know the local areas whims and schemes. Do we have differing rules for speech from city to city? Do the basic rights under the 4th and 5th amendments vary from city to city?

 

naw im just talking specifically about gun laws only. we don't have to always apply abstract principles like a blanket to cover any and all laws. sometimes its better to take things on a case-by-case basis.

 

Nt a fundamental right...It is acceptable to be able to defend oneself and family in one location and to be jailed for the identical behavior in another.

 

That's a terribly false assertion. You should be able to own firearms anywhere you live. When every single counts as either life or death, the police are just MINUTES away...not to mention, the crime in the city will substantially increase if criminals know that city residents have no protection.

 

Texas is f8cking safe... its also full of beaners... El paso texas.. a city of 750000.. is one of the safest large cities in the United States.. its across from THE MOST dangerous city in the world; Juarez , Chihuahua, Mexico ( as far as getting killed by a bullet goes.. or a chainsaw).. El Paso Texas is chock full of beaners... like 80 to 90%... ergo..

We should look to the beaner for the way to living in peace and harmony... the american beaner clearly has some secret knowledge .. a way of life that can ignore a low standard of living and yet remain above the white mans answer to all problems.. kill the dude with the (*)(*)(*)(*) you want.

Kudos beaners... you guys rock.

 

As I already said, the rating is from the Brady Campaign, the crimes rates from StateMaster.

Find the correlation.

 

Regardless, it was for a Brady stat. I think their views of how much gun control a state has is pretty accurate. I would use it as a way to avoid states. Now, if they are talking about crime rates, etc., I wouldn't trust them at all.

 

correlation on causation

 

I can disprove your signature with such great ease, you wouldn't even know how to reply.

 

The crime rate has more to do with pot and other drugs being illegal than anything else. Criminals sale illegal drugs to make money. If they were legal, no one would buy them from criminals and criminals would have no money.

 

There is between countries with strict gun laws and countries with lax gun laws. What's there not to get? Research the stats and try to keep emotions out of the debate.

 

I believe you will find a stronger correlation between the level of diversity and violence than the level of gun laws....Big obvious minorities, big violence.

 

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