MSNBC medical contributor tells Americans to start wearing masks again after uptick in COVID hospita

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  1. LangleyMan

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    Why don't you focus on evidence?
     
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    I have all the evidence. It’s documented in the references I have provided.
     
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    The process we use came up with 1+m covid deaths. What part of our process would you change and what would you use instead? Why?
     
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    It's not evidence if it isn't relevant.
     
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    It’s completely relevant. Truth is always relevant.
     
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    “Two studies published this month put long Covid in perspective. The first, in the Journal of the American Medical Association, looked at a spectrum of wellness indicators in 1,000 people who recovered from symptomatic Covid or another respiratory infection. It found that 40% of patients who had tested positive for Covid “reported persistently poor physical, mental, or social well-being at 3-month follow-up.” For Covid-negative patients who had other upper-respiratory infections, the figure was 54%. Covid patients did better than non-Covid patients. While there are certainly unique hallmark conditions of Covid, such as loss of smell, any respiratory infection—flu, RSV, other cold viruses—can knock you down for a while.”

    “The second study, in Lancet Regional Health, looked for long Covid in 5,086 children 11 to 17 and found that symptoms present during infection rapidly declined over time. The researchers found that among children who tested positive and negative for Covid “prevalence patterns of poor well-being, fatigue and Long COVID”—defined by its symptoms without the need for a past diagnosis of the disease—“were broadly similar.” (The study also found that loneliness in children increased steadily in the year after Covid illness.)”

    “The NIH hasn’t invested nearly as much in studying masks, natural immunity, vaccine complications, boosters in children or even vitamin D, which was found last month to lower Covid mortality—a study that tragically came two years too late. The most stunning absence of Covid research is in children. After imposing tremendous restrictions on tens of millions of healthy children for nearly two years, no government study or public-health official can tell us how many otherwise healthy children have died of Covid, or even if any have. Dedicating research dollars to magnify Covid complications while ignoring other pressing Covid research questions continues the politicization of the disease.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-ex...ty-children-bivalent-restrictions-11670857268
     
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    There's no point in debating with certain people. As soon as they get whooped, they get the posts removed they can't defeat, hey, because you have nothing to come back with.
     
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    No. Once again your analogies are wrong. My perceptions are based on facts, unlike others.

    Masks are Harmful: 17 Ways That Masks Can Cause Harm

    1. Medical masks adversely affect respiratory physiology and function
    2. Medical masks lower oxygen levels in the blood
    3. Medical masks raise carbon dioxide levels in the blood
    4. SARS CoV-2 is armed with a “furin cleavage site” that makes it more pathogenic
    5. Medical masks trap exhaled viral (and other) pathogens in the mouth/mask interspace, increase viral/infectious load, and increase the severity of disease
    6. SARS CoV-2 Becomes More Dangerous When Blood Oxygen Levels Decline
    7. The furin cleavage site of SARS CoV-2 increases cellular invasion, especially during hypoxia (low blood oxygen levels)
    8. Cloth masks may increase the risk of contracting Covid-19 and other respiratory infections
    9. Wearing a face mask may give a false sense of security
    10. Masks compromise communications and reduce social distancing
    11. Untrained and inappropriate management of face masks
    12. Masks Worn Imperfectly Are Dangerous
    13. Masks collect and colonize viruses, bacteria, and mold
    14. Wearing a face mask makes the exhaled air (respiratory plumes) go into the eyes
    15. Contact tracing studies show that asymptomatic carrier transmission is very rare
    16. Face masks and stay at home orders prevent the development of herd immunity
    17. Face masks are dangerous and contraindicated for a large number of people with pre-existing medical conditions and disabilities
     
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    Majority of Scientific Studies Show Masks are Virtually Useless, Including N-95 Masks
    Prior to mask mandates, surgical masks were infrequently worn in hospitals and other medical facilities. Facemasks were mainly only used in operating rooms or for visiting seriously ill patients in order to prevent spit or droplets into open wounds and to partially protect against serious diseases which are much larger in size than coronavirus or influenza.

    Over 50 Scientific Studies Conclude Masks Do Nothing to Prevent the Spread of Illness, So Why Do People Keep Claiming They Work?
     
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    Yay, finally. Don't you mean the MAJORITY of research is biased by financial and political motivations? What you fail to understand is that I do evaluate these studies, and there are far too many that are biased and influenced by the metrics you and I have stated. When you have a narrative that silences half of a community, and that is the medical community, that is a huge red flag. If science/medical fields are peer-reviewed and half of those professionals are silenced in more ways than one for speaking out and questioning those narratives, to me, that deserves a level of disdain toward these 'so-called' studies. Only after the fact do the silenced ones studies and questions get raised, a bit too late, and too much Oops!
     
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    I'm interested in respirators, not masks.
     
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    Same thing different design. They still prevent proper airflow. If we were meant to have a restricted airways, don't you think that's how our bodies would have been designed?
     
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    Simple answers for simple questions. You made the claims, I'm asking for those claims to be backed either by you or her. Because neither of you can, it's apparent they are both false claims. This then leads towards both you and your arguments to be questionable at best now.
    To me, when you make a claim you have to be able to back it, sooner rather than later, otherwise your integrity is jeopardized.
     
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    This may be difficult for you, but figuring out what you can use is necessary.
    Again, your task is to make use of what you have.
     
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    Do you understand how a respirator works? I wonder.
     
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    You're not listening.
     
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    Crackpot sources are more your speed.
     
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    You lost the debate long ago.
     
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    Without covid, many of them might still be alive.
     
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    Duh!
    The air passes through a filter which is made up of a number of filtration elements and it has depending on facial features such as a beard, will give an air-tight seal, as opposed to a surgical mask which doesn't have an air-tight seal, and is designed to stop droplets entering the mouth and nose of surgical personnel. Anything, got anything more challenging to answer? And both restrict the flow of air for the wearer!
    I bet you didn't see that coming?
     
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    You don't even know what's relevant.
     
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    I'm not interested in masks.
     
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    No. Sources that are influenced by globalist agendas, ones that aren't funded by them, ones that don't spruik bullshit narratives, but actually investigate their stories and not just read from a script they've been given is my speed, which is overdrive in case you were wondering, as opposed to being stuck in 1st, neutral or maybe in reverse for the majority, hey?
     

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