Mueller Report, Rumored to Drop Next Week, Is Only the Beginning of Trump’s Hell

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    America can be so very lucky when the right person comes along at the right time - and now was the time for Donald Trump.

    Unlike any other western leader he has fearlessly exposed the MSM for what it is, he has let this faux investigation run its course, and has timed everything to be made public during the run up to the next election. Many in the DOJ and FBI have been forced out of power but there will be many more bureaucratic heads on a pole when the truth is finally exposed.
     
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    Be patient and pay attention for the next couple of years. However I'd say, at a guess, Clapper and Brennan would be right up there.
     
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    Yes. He isn't a partisan. He isn't driven by ideology. He isn't a member of permanent political class and therefore is outside the 'club'. He eskews the status quo that keeps the permanent political class and deep state in positions of power and on the gravy train in favor of what actually works and will make America stronger and actually improve the lives of the American people. And he has a magnificent and practical vision and the skill sets to accomplish it and is willing to risk failure while he tries different approaches until something proves to be effective. And that terrifies and threatens and/or infuriates the permanent political class and deep state and those they have deceived, manipulated, coerced, brainwashed, or otherwise drawn into support for their agenda.

    That is why they fear and hate him, and why they do their damndest to divert from anything positive that is happening and instead attack his person, his appearance, his family and friends, his character, his manner, his honesty, his moral center, etc. etc. etc.

    He can't do it without a lot of support from us out here in the cities and in flyover country. We must not become weary to push back on the intolerant haters, destroyers, bearers of false witness or we will lose all the good that has been accomplished. And that yet to be accomplished if we just stay strong.
     
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    double post - sorry
     
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    Neither of us could possibly know unless Trump were to keep his repeated promise and finally come clean with them, of course. Some, apparently, are afraid of what they might reveal. Others believe that keeping one's word is commendable of itself.
    Trump mewled "Witch Hunt!" over 130 times as the indictments, convictions, and confessions of his "best people" accrued. I have no idea how often you have parroted him.
    If you need to cast it as an inter-party squabble, you can, but, as I pointed out, Comey, Rosenstein, Mueller, McCabe, Flynn, Manafort, Papadopoulos, Cohen, Gates, etc., etc., etc. have all been Republicans.
    "Deep state" is an anti-American slur that ideological media entertainers employ to wee wee up partisan paranoia, popular with the Trump cult. It encompasses US intelligence services, various agencies, the judiciary, grand jury members, bimbos, fixers, etc., etc., etc.
    I only made reference to Ken Starr's peripatetic journey from White Water to sexual hijinks in the Oval Office as an example of the broad mandate in exposing crime that an individual such as Mueller has when assigned such a patriotic mission after you had suggested that his purview should be severely circumscribed.
     
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    Nobody said the Deep State was just Democrats, lots of RINOs involved too. If Mueller is such a Republican, why are almost all his staff highly partisan Democrats? AG Barr rightly pointed out that was fishy.
     
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    Start wasn’t investigating sexual assaults...it’s just bill Clinton committed perjury while Starr was conducting his investigation
     
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    This could be yuge! Why is it necessary to reference the color of his skin? How do racist comments help make your case?
     
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    The mythical "Deep State" appears to be the preferred boogieman for the RINOs of Trumpery, pushed relentlessly by their ideological media entertainers.

    There is nothing to suggest the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel had any interest in his team's political affiliations, and it would have been illegal for him to select them by that metric. Of course, if the "Deep State" were as pervasive and wily as hardcore paranoid Trumpers fantasize, Mueller would have been sure to select a few like himself who had been under deep cover as Republicans throughout their careers.

    In reality, competent lawyers prosecute and defend folks of differing political allegiances all the time. Hyper-partisans delude themselves into believing that it's all about politics, not about ascertaining the truth that results in indictments, convictions, and confessions, as well as exculpations and acquittals.
     
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    Indeed. Mueller's conviction of Trump's campaign manager is for several crimes not specified in his assignment from the Trump Department of Justice. In such investigations, unanticipated evidence crimes is sometimes uncovered, and must be prosecuted. Guilt must then be established in a trial.
     
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    Correct, as we have seen most of the prosecutions we have seen from Mueller have little to nothing to do with the President or the election
     
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    That's entirely possible. Charges regarding obstruction of justice could be part of the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel's report when his work is completed, but he has been scrupulous in preventing leaks. All that is revealed comes in the form of indictments, convictions and confessions.

    It is entirely possible that the efforts of Putin's operatives to promote Trump and Trump's operatives who had multiple contacts with them and lied about them merely had the same goal with no provable coordination whatsoever.
     
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    Don't forget the Mueller team quickly and forcefully denounced and called out the fake buzzfeed story that tried to say that Trump instructed Cohen to mislead Congress.

    I agree it could simply mean, and what appears is that Russia, wanted to spread discourse and had a weak President in office, that ignored security threats....then realized it would be better to have an Admin that wasn't bought and paid by the highest Foundation "donor" and might actually try to lead on the world stage
     
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    And even a GOP Senate didn't impeach him for that.
     
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    If it's mythical, why the long list of FBI/DOJ actors reprimanded or removed? McCabe, Strozk, Page, etc. Why the hysteria when Trump threatened to reveal the fishy origins of the FISA warrant? None of these ahem, irregularities were attached to Ken Star.
     
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    And some had their lives ended.
     
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    Conviction requires 2/3rds...or 67 Senators...wasn't likely gonna happen.
     
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    That's true
     
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    Then, or now.
     
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    I seriously doubt that Putin's clandestine efforts to promote Trump and hurt Clinton were undertaken with the expectation that Trump would actually win the electoral vote. That has been a surprise bonus for Putin.
     
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    The crackpots love to believe in their "Deep State." One could easily pretend that Priebus, Omarosa, Tillerson, Hicks, Cohn, Price, Pruitt, Sessions, Flynn, Bannon, Gorka, Spicer, Mattis, Kelly, McMaster, Zinke, Scaramucci, and so many of Trump's other departed "best people" were actually disgraced or otherwise banished because they had all actually been "deep staters," and had met every Tuesday at 7:30 in the 7th Street YMCA basement.
     
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    Tax returns involve only the individual and the IRS. It's no one else's business.
    Really? Someone actually counted the number of times the president said "Witch Hunt"? What empty lives some people lead.
    Have all been Republicans? You mean at one time in their lives?
    No, that's not even close. https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/01/where-does-the-expression-deep-state-come-from/
    Then perhaps the authorization of these Special Counsels should be more circumspect.
     
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    What do you know about "Putin's clandestine efforts to promote Trump and hurt Clinton'? Perhaps you should pass along your inside information to Mueller.
     
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    Ironic given that was EXACTLY what the GOP is doing to America.
    Exactly like what the GOP was doing to Hillary with those ENDLESS Benghazi and email server investigations.
    You want your beloved BLOTUS to continue to illegally separate small children from their parents and to violate the Constitution by circumventing Congress?
     
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