Mueller should submit his report soon, Trump is getting dangerous

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Sandy Shanks, Jan 7, 2019.

  1. TOG 6

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    It does not matter how many times you present a nothingburger, it remains a nothingburger.

    Trump will remain your President until at least January 2021, and there's nothing you can do about it.
     
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    You work in the real world, eh?

    Yet you said:
    "this is an investigation that has been running for 2 years without turning up anything and frankly Mr Putin way too good a spy to have ever let there be direct collusion.

    "...ploughing on endlessly forward in the desperate hope that they will uncover something so they don't lose face for starting this long and expensive process in the first place..."

    "...everything else has been leaked from the investigation..."

    That's really some sort of strange "real world" you have there. You live in a private and speculative world. And since you so fundamentally contradict yourself, I feel no urgency to reply to anything else you said, since you show how willing you are to misrepresent even yourself.
     
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    No source was provided. Posters simply repeated the Karl quote.

    That is false. I provided the essential part of Karl's statement. It was the Daily Wire that cherry-picked the quote. Stephanopoulos was about to ask Karl to clarify his statement and the Daily Wire cut off the video.

    I provided clarification of Karl's statement in post 389, which has been completely ignored by these two.

    That quote is contained in my reply, post 389.

    Yes, I know, right there in my reply, post 389. When I asked for sources, all these two did is repeat the extremely biased Daily Wire source that cheery-picked Karl's statement.

    When I provided what I believe, it was ignored by these two. Too close to reality, I suppose. Trump's fans detest reality.
     
  4. Bluesguy

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    The danger of a Manchurian Candidate president would by FAR outweigh that.
     
  5. Sandy Shanks

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    Everyone but you can see the pure irony in your replies.

    Your posts are "nothingburgers."

    And boringly repetitive.
     
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    He said on the ABC Sunday news show. Perhaps you should lower your expectations.
     
  7. TOG 6

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    I accept your concession of my point.

    Fact: Trump will remain your president until at least January 2020, and there's nothing you can do about it.
     
  8. Sandy Shanks

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    Political reports, "A bipartisan attempt to condemn the Trump administration for relaxing Russia sanctions stalled in the Senate Wednesday after Republicans banded together to block the effort.

    "The bill would have formally rebuked the administration before it moves ahead with plans to lift sanctions on companies linked to oligarch Oleg Deripaska, a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    "The bill needed 60 votes to advance to passage but fell three votes short this afternoon.

    "Eleven Senate Republicans joined Democrats in supporting the measure. They weren’t convinced by Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin’s argument that the sanctions should be lifted because the Russian firms had reorganized and had severed Deripaska's control."

    Senate Republicans continue to be Trump lackeys, even when it is a bold attempt by Trump to provide protection for Putin.

    Is there any doubt we have a President who prefers policies that are beneficial to the communist Russian dictator?
     
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    Everyone but you can see the pure irony in your replies.
    Your posts are nothingburgers - and boringly repetitive.

    Fact: Trump will remain your president until at least January 2020, and there's nothing you can do about it.
     
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    Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Review the posts. I said it twice. I am not referring to Karl's statement. I am referring to yours.
     
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    NYT maybe? You love not telling the whole story.
     
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    In case some of you liberals missed it, Russia hasn't been communist for decades. And for that matter, the socialism you preach is the same as communism. Russia is now a federal republic, just like the U.S. Putin was elected by the people, he is not a dictator. The closest thing to a dictatorship in Europe is Belarus. Belarus is not Russia.

    This concludes this day's lesson on RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA reeeeeeeeee!
     
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    I'm referring to his for which you wanted link, I gave it to you.
     
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    I didn't ask you about that

    Again if a federal prosecutor had clear evidence the President was engaged in treason and serving at the demands of our advisaries you think he would be biding his time writng a report?
     
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    What is the whole story?
     
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    I am certainly aware of that. That said, Putin is a communist. Putin was a KGB foreign intelligence officer for 16 years, rising to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel before resigning in 1991 to enter politics. He has compared Vladimir Lenin to a saint and declared that Soviet communist ideas come from the Bible.

    “Firstly, faith has always accompanied us. It strengthened when things were hard for our people’s country. There have been harsh, godfighting years when clerics were destroyed and churches were ruined. But at the same time (Soviets) created a new religion. Indeed, communist ideology is very similar to Christianity.”

    https://www.newsweek.com/putin-says-communism-comes-bible-compares-lenin-saint-781328

    That is why I refer to him as a communist Russian dictator. Do you have any objection to the title?

    You must have missed all that.
     
  17. Sandy Shanks

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    I just wanted to bring you up to date.

    I agree with your last statement.
     
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    Below are reasons Trump could be a Putin asset.

    Trump has a long financial history with Russia. As summarized by Jonathan Chait in an invaluable New York magazine article.
    "Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets," said Donald Jr. in 2008. "We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia,’ boasted Eric Trump in 2014.”

    The Russians interfered in the 2016 U.S. election to help elect Trump president.

    Trump encouraged the Russians to hack Hillary Clinton’s emails on July 27, 2016 (“Russia, if you’re listening”), on the very day that Russian intelligence hackers tried to attack Clinton’s personal and campaign servers.

    There were, according to the Moscow Project, “101 contacts between Trump’s team and Russia linked operatives,” and “the Trump team tried to cover up every single one of them.” The most infamous of these contacts was the June 9, 2016, meeting at Trump Tower between the Trump campaign high command and a Kremlin emissary promising dirt on Clinton.

    Manafort, who ran the Trump campaign for free and was heavily in debt to a Russian oligarch, now admits to offering his Russian business partner, who is suspected of links to Russian intelligence, polling data that could have been used to target the Russian social media campaign on behalf of Trump.

    Once in office, Trump fired Comey to stop the investigation of the “Russia thing” — and then bragged about having done so to the Russian ambassador and foreign minister while also sharing with them top-secret information.

    Like no previous president, Trump attacks and undermines the Justice Department and the FBI (“a cancer in our country”) — two institutions that stand on the front lines of combating Russian espionage and influence operations in the United States.

    Like no previous president, Trump attacks and undermines the European Union and NATO — he has suggested that France should leave the E.U. and that the United States should leave NATO, reportedly saying, “NATO is as bad as NAFTA.” The E.U. and NATO are the two major obstacles to Russian designs in Europe.

    There is a great deal more, but I am sure everyone gets the point.
     
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    Your posts are boring and repetitive.
    Trump will remain your president until at least January 2021 and there's nothing you can do about it.
     
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    No need try addressing what I said instead.

    It was a question not a statement.
     
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    You know your accusations lose all credibility when you post that as evidence of Trump/Russian collusion.
     
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    1. What international businessman doesn't have links with Russia? Certainly the Clintons do.
    2. Yes as the Chinese tried to get Bill Clinton elected in 96. But their interference probably made no difference as with Trump. Foreign governments have always tried to interfere but the internet has made it a much greater threat.
    3. Publicly, asking them to make them openly available to all, not exactly a conspiracy?
    4. See number 1, the Dems had plenty of meeting too but unless they actually conspired together to cheat in the election so what?
    5. Polling data that 'could' have been used, that was 'suspected of links'? That is not collusion, that is giving people a political survey that would soon be public knowledge anyway.
    6. Trump fired Comey for numerous reasons and it wasn't to stop the investigation, leaks, favouritism to the Clintons, spying justified by the 'dodgy dossier', not getting McCabe to recuse himself, appointing blatantly anti-Trump agents to the case etc etc
    7. No previous president has had such problems (at least not since Nixon/J. Edgar Hoover)
    8. Trumps problem with NATO is that the US do the lion's share and he wants other do some heavy lifting, he's not wrong.
     
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    Bluesguy said:
    Yes a correct statement, but now people with internal connections with the Mueller investigation are getting out the word, it will be anti-climatic.

    Sandy Shanks said:
    Really? I haven't heard that, and, as you can tell from my post that you did not challenge, I am staying on top of this. Please cite sources to confirm your statement.

    You seem confused.Please review the conversation.

    I know what Karl said. That isn't the issue.

    I didn't ask for that link. What I did ask for is at the beginning of this post. Please note, Karl is not "people."

    Are you unable to substantiate what you said?
     
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    Explain that statement. I provide evidence of Trump's collaboration with the Russians and obstruction of justice, and I lose credibility? How so?

    Or did you just say that, knowing Trump is guilty as hell? You didn't challenge a thing I said. How did I lose credibility?
     
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    Your posts are boring and repetitive.
    Trump will remain your president until at least January 2021 and there's nothing you can do about it.
     

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