Mueller: Trump Could Be Charged with Obstruction of Justice After Leaving Office

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  1. Professor Peabody

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    Not gonna happen.
     
  2. FreshAir

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    I think it depends, if Trump goes quietly into the night, no charges will happen, if he doesn't, I think charges will happen
     
  3. Egoboy

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    OMG... that could be the funniest thing I've read or heard all day.... and I watched Louie Gohmert attempt to ask questions....

    No offense....
     
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    Why don't you post the -actual- question and then the -actual- answer?
    Be sure to cite.
     
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    I think we both know Trump will be the worst ex-President ever... but who knows
     
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    Wow....what hearing did you watch, because I did not hear those questions at all.

    I heard Buck ask:

    “Could you charge the President with a crime after he left office?”
    Mueller: “Yes.”
    Buck: “You believe that...you could charge the President of the United States with obstruction of justice after he left office?”
    Mueller: “Yes"

    There was no indication that they were discussing THIS president or if the question was hypothetical in general.
     
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    I bet if we started saying he'll be the best ex-President ever, maybe he'll start sooner??

    He's seems pretty susceptible to reverse psychology...
     
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    Please. What were we discussing all morning, the president of Peru? What were all the obstruction cases about president of Boy Scout Troop 311? You left out the word Prosecute. It thought that was kind of key.
     
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    That's a HIGHLY ambiguous statement. Charges COULD be brought. That's not saying they will or there is evidence to sustain a charge. Mueller was simply asked could charges be brought and he honestly replied they could. But unless some startling new evidence comes to light before 2024 this is all speculation.
     
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    Meh, it gives hope to the haters.
     
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    but he is susceptible to the views of the last person he speaks too or sees on tv, he is too easily manipulated
     
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    Good grief Americans are smart enough to understand that you bet on collusion/conspiracy/treason. The fact that he got pissed and wanted to fire Mueller yet per Mueller himself, not only didn't fire him, he didn't obstruct, nor slow, nor tamper, nor claim the 5th, nor invoked Executive privilege, nor stop witnesses from testifying, nor bleach bitted a server and did nothing else that would impede the investigation, means Obstruction is a looney lefty talking point.
     
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    Anybody could be charged with anything so just stop, hell I could defend this crap. He wanted him fired, but he didn't fire him right? Well he ordered him fired, but he didn't fire him right? Well McGahn threatened to resign, but it was Trumps decision and he didn't fire him right? Well but but uh uh case dismissed. It's literally the dumbest argument I've ever heard, he obstructed by talking about firing someone that he didn't fire. Good f'ing luck with that lunacy.
     
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    I left out the word prosecute because neither Buck or Mueller used it. My quote was exactly the words used. Also, context is important. At the time those words were said they were talking about what the DOJ policy allowed and were not specifically talking about Trump .
     
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    Fine. So, all the giddy, goofy little Democrats should start working themselves into a froth at targeting Trump -- on January 20, 2025. That is when Trump's second presidential term will officially expire... at noon. :roflol:
     
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    Most likely will.
     
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    Finding a corrupt partisan prosecutor won't present a poblem at all for the DNC. Winning the presidency and retaining the House majority does present a problem. Mueller died on the stand today, so did the dream.
     
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    Yeah, have a deliriously joyful time contemplating that... and then, late in 2025, President Pence will pardon him!

    [​IMG]. Hint: If I were a Democrat, I'd go find a different 'wet hole' to stick myself into.... :nana:
     
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    Objectivity? Honesty? Now that's not something we're used to seeing on PF. Mueller's report, and he addressed the 3 elements of obstruction. In some cases 2 of 3 were obvious, but 1 element either wasn't present, or depended on interpretation.
     
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    Oh? So you are on record?

    That Trump will serve 2 terms?

    Cool.:bored:
     
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    LoL he didn't even know who Fusion GPS was!

    Let's see whats going on in the bunker!

     
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    It's probably the best we can do, Andy, and it will be vastly preferable to anything we've seen crawling up out of the Democrat Party toilet for the next election.

    I'd prefer John F. Kennedy, or, Republican Ronald Reagan. But this is the CURSED 21st-century, where we've already had to endure 16 years of two of the worse presidents in our history -- "W" Bush, and Obama. So, we should be glad that at least we can have someone with the business sense of Donald Trump from now until 2025.... It could be far, far worse....

    [​IMG]. "Vote for me and never have to work again another day in your life!" :banana:
     
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    ANY President can be charged with a crime after they leave office IF there was a crime. None here. Clinton faced being charged with several crimes, the crimes Starr had presented to the House of Representatives. You know perjury, OOJ, subornation of perjury, Crimes the Democrats said did not warrant removal from office, ACTUAL crimes that a judge said he committed. The DOJ determined there is no crime here, end of story.
     
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    This was the defining moment which laid the who thing to rest.

    Mueller grilled on conclusions about 'exoneration'

    A Republican member of the House Judiciary Committee ripped into Robert Mueller at Wednesday’s hearing, claiming that the special counsel violated Justice Department principles when he failed to decide if President Trump committed a crime without exonerating him.

    “Which DOJ policy or principle sets forth a legal standard that an investigated person is not exonerated if their innocence from criminal conduct is not conclusively determined?” asked Rep. John Ratcliffe, R-Texas, a former federal prosecutor. “Where does that language come from, director? Where is the DOJ policy that says that?”

    When Mueller didn’t respond, Ratcliffe asked the 74-year-old former special counsel to “give an example other than Donald Trump where the Justice Department determined that an investigated person was not exonerated because their innocence was not conclusively determined.”

    “I cannot, but this is a unique situation —” Mueller said before he was interrupted by Ratcliffe.

    “Let’s just leave it at you can’t find it because — I’ll tell you why — it doesn’t exist,” said Ratcliffe.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/mueller-grilled-on-conclusions-about-exoneration-142131441.html

    Here is the exchange



    No collusion, no conspiracy, no obstruction, as I had predicted a nothingburger.
     
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    It sounds like you've paid as much attention to Mueller's testimony as you have to his report.

    But you won't decide the 2020 election. A majority of voters will, and your cult doesn't have the numbers to pull it off. Trump had already won by a minority of the vote in 2016. 2018 delivered a blow to Trumpism and showed that a lot of patriotic Americans are motivated to step up and vote against Trump. 2020 will deliver the K.O.

    If there were a corrupt partisan prosecutor to be found, Trump would have done so by now. He has so far been unsuccessful in corrupting our institutions despite his best efforts.
     
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