Multiple Explosions at Boston Marathon, Part II

Yeah, unfortunately for you, I don't believe in any 'government'. The only difference is, I can see the corruption a mile away and I don't accept it as something that comes along with the package. Maybe you do, nothing I can do to change that. I reject government but accept the fact it's required. It's not going anywhere, but I can obviously point out where folks are going wrong.

I don't make excuses for anyone, nor do I defend another person. Let their actions speak for themselves, I only simply point out the faults in their way, as I would expect any free thinker to do the same. It's when folks simply follow party lines and accept the reality given to them, that's where I don't belong and won't follow suit.

 

Thank you Patriot Act & NDAA, what would they've done without you? Oh, that's right, actually follow the Constitution and give them due process. So much for that...

 

With you in spirit, to a point... but foreign nationals should not have the benefits of citizenship, otherwise what is the point of being a citizen? We tax, we war, we vote to have these rights. I don't much care for the idea of cutting foreign bombers loose because we don't have enough to charge them within a few hours. I am against the NDAA, but parts of the patriot act I would definitely keep, were I emperor.

I am more of a rational anarchist. I believe in very limited federal powers, and understand the concept of self governing states. In my Utopia there would be no organized police force... society simply would not allow abuses. Nobody rapes anyone because anyone around would kill a person trying to rape a person... etc. Not achievable atm... but where I land idealistically. In the world of reality, we need government, we need defense, and I am all for the bill of rights as it applies to citizens. I don't go to your country and commit crimes... don't think you can come to mine and be afforded our generous protections.

Again... just my opinion. I am a bit of a savage though.

 

Ahhhh ... another break-off faction of conservatism .... oddly, whatever form they call themselves at the moment ... you can always tell they're conservatives simply because they always have an (R) before it ... *snicker*

 

I am an anarchist.

That doesn't go well with liberalism. You are attempting to throw a bit of horse leading the cart here. I want to LIMIT government because I am an anarchist... that is what makes me conservative.

Shouldn't try and smear conservatives with my opinions. I am with them by proxy... they don't much care for me a lot of the time.

 

I believe the picture was supposed to be taken the day before the marathon? His parents are critical in the hospital.

 

Agreed, to an extent. However, what if the person who committed these acts were a US citizen? Regardless of ties, speaking merely as someone who is apart of the country and should have the same rights as any other America citizen. Do they still not have a right to due process? I would believe they would, regardless of the intent they brought to the country.

I hold myself as a minarchist, basically in the same lines as you. I don't believe true anarchy will ever come to America, I don't think folks would accept that. Morality would always come into play for me, but I know not everyone hold morality to the standard that I do. Then, with folks who don't believe in what I do, won't agree with my ideals. So I try to find some common ground and work from there.

However, I agree that if a terrorist comes to our country and commits a crime, they've committed an act of war and should be brought to justice accordingly. Where I begin to draw the line is when they are a US citizen. I believe they are entitled (Regardless of the destruction they've imposed) to the same rights that we all have under the Constitution. If you're not a US citizen and use destructive force, that's where I believe government is needed to form a military force to capture said terrorists.

Like you, it's not something I foresee anytime soon, but one that I believe is for the better. I believe that folks who can't see this reality simply state it as crazy and it'll never work. That's because, I believe, they have so much faith and trust into the system that's been built around them they can't see anything outside of the reality they've built for themselves. Going back to one of my other discussions with you, this is where my quote of 'I reject your reality and substitute my own' comes into play for me. I reject the reality that we've been given before us and the reality that I have before me is the one I live in. I don't simply stand on libertarianism principles, I live them. As such, I'm a respect first person. I respect everyone and don't believe respect is something that should be earned. I leave it up to the individual to take away my respect for them, as I don't believe respect is a gift that should be won.

More people are turning towards a form of anarchy & atheist. I think more people no longer believe in the realities that are given to them. I believe more believe in freedom, in liberty, in living their lives the way they want to live it. More and more people, to me, are simply looking to be left alone. When they continue to be tempered with, it's like backing up an angry lion in a cage. Eventually the lion is going to strike back at you. That's why I just leave people alone and don't impose any bad things against anyone. In my life, I've seen a lot of messed up things, a lot of folks who are down on their luck, who need a helping hand, and who simply lost their way. For me to impose bad wishes against them, it's not in my nature anymore.

Quick sum up of my thoughts, we're spending roughly $6.2 trillion dollars a year in the US (http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/). According to the following estimate (http://www.squidoo.com/world-hunger), it would cost $195 billion dollars, a year, to end world hunger. The reality is the most folks don't even care to know this statistic, just another random fact that I care to know. Will I ever be able to do anything about it? Who knows. However, I keep my eye on it because if I'm ever afforded an opportunity to do something, believe me when I tell you I will do my best to ensure I do.

Here's some more random data: http://www.stopthehunger.com/

 

Another time we can discuss those things. We are very close in our positions. Of course any US citizen should have the rights of the constitution. Even Anwar al-Awlaki. And most especially his 16 year old US citizen son.

He is not, however, a US citizen (the student held). And even if he is innocent... I am ok with them hanging on to him for a while. I think the week prescribed in the Patriot Act is prudent and appropriate. A traitorous American, however, even if you cannot tie him immediately to a crime, has to be cut loose.

Watch him while you gather. Willing to let the tax resources go there.

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That one is gonna stick.

 

Is his dad in the hospital too?

I thought I had read that he had been to his house...

I know, though, that the mother had brain surgery, and, the sister lost a leg...

Absolutely infuriating...

Also,

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/16/us/boston-boy-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Just for informational purposes...

That picture is very difficult to look at...

 

Agreed we can discuss further another time, you provided your position and I merely wanted to provide mine. From there, we can proceed forward knowing where each other stands.

As far as Anwar al-Awlaki and his son are concerned, I agree that the constitution should be valid for them, even in another country. I'm more so concerned over the son, who literally had 0 ties to anything his father was doing and was some distance away from his father. We've yet to get answers on that and I highly doubt we ever will. For the gentleman in custody now, to be honest, I didn't even read much into this person and my comment was merely static to the point than held against any particular person. Of course if the person isn't a US citizen, different rules apply. However, if they determine the person is of no interest, I think it's time to let that person go.

I have mixed opinions on various stances Jon Stewart has (Yes I know...he's a comedian...but he asserts himself into the political spectrum so he does hold some weight, in that regard), but when having an interview with Bill O' Reilly, he said we should show how strong our justice system really is. I agree with him. All we've shown is how strong our military is. Great, YAY, who cares? How about showing that our justice system does work and we can effectively prove the folks that we're going after has done a bad deed and we captured them for a reason? As it stands right now, we've simply saying 'They're a terrorist' and we're all supposed to buy into that logic. Sorry, I don't accept it because it's easy to judge someone looking through a camera lens with a missile pointed straight at them.

 

/me wonders when the White House pimps this child's death if the presidents oath to him will provide an exclusion for drones.

 

What's even sadder is folks will use this picture to push their own anti-war propaganda. Granted, it's fighting fire with fire but it gets old and children really shouldn't be used as political fodder. To me, it's more disgusting to those who wish to do that than the folks who killed them, and I hold those who kill children in very low regards.

 

Great minds think alike.

 

Both are (*)(*)(*)(*)ing sick...

No one should be allowed to use that little boy's picture aside from his family...

 

My thoughts and prayers are with those affected by this terrible act.

I fear this tragedy will be used to push through more fascist measures though.

 

Hey if they wanted us to leave them alone planting bombs in our cities is a pretty stupid way of trying to accomplish that.

 

Fox News - Sheppard Smith is asking everyone he talks to if this could be domestic terror related to taxes.

Because the bombs were made with pressure cookers I suspect that the bomber hates beans and targeted Boston because they like beans.

Because a lot of gunpowder was wasted in these bombs we can forget about gun huggers. In these terrible time of ammo shortages only a left wing loon would use gunpowder;; unless he is a gun grabber trying to implicate gun huggers.

 

Seems more likely it would be the anti gun nuts sending a message. Where were you yesterday?

 

Two years ago Al Queda published an article on line about this very type bomb. With our southern border wide open for terrorists to simply walk across, I'm surprised this hasn't happened earlier.

 

New reports are saying it is a sophisticated bomb, well beyond the capability of a third world Islamic radical.

That means it is more likely a very intelligent domestic terrorist such as Timothy Mcveigh, with military training.

 

We haven't heard from Lapierre nor Hacksterbee nor the tea party blaming this massacre on Libs, on Hollywood and for a Godless Lib society ... quite strange since they're always the first to come out in hysterics to make this claim of responsibilty.

 

How many times do I have to tell you to leave me alone?

I do not care to entertain anything invented personalities have to say, and your continued interest in me is unusual.

 

I am not responding to you but your posts, as this a public forum. You may use the ignore feature if you like.

Have a blessed day.

 

Source?

Cause I can show you libs blaming the Tea Party any time any tragedy occurs... even though there has never been a single instance.

I realize that trolls will be trolls... but does it not bother you in the least that you are trolling through blood?

 

...because y'all are feeding it?

Dont feed the trolls!