Muslims Converting Empty European Churches into Mosques

Islam does not have anything of value to offer. The problem is that the descendants of muslims will soon become "all of Europe". Just like in the rest of the muslim countries, no muslim will dare leave Islam; those who do so risk being killed for apostasy.

It will not be europeans who decide whether Europe becomes an Islamic fundamentalist state. You are obviously unable to understand that.

 

That's not the same God; and that's disrespectful for the people who had make this Church...
There's no problem if there's a Church and a Mosque; so, why destroy the Church?

 

The church is empty. Why? Because there's no longer a congregation that needs it.

Should it just stand empty forever?

Abandoned churches are converted to other uses all the time. Bars, restaurants, hotels, office buildings, schools.... you name it.

Converting it to another place of worship makes sense because the building was *built* for that, and requires minimal remodeling. Just like the most likely replacement for a closed department store is.... another department store. Or the most likely replacement for a closed restaurant is.... another restaurant.

Islamaphobes are really becoming pathetic. It used to be that you guys would highlight the excesses of Muslim extremists, and try to use that to tar Islam in general. That's reprehensible (trying to use extremists to tar an entire religion), but at least you were pointing out actual excesses.

This thread, however, is pure "I dislike Muslims." Complete with insults about their "ugly Arabic script."

Pathetic.

 

They are the same God. If people find this disrespectful, then they have a problem.

Once again, they aren't destroying the church - they are simply buying it and using it for themselves and there is nothing at all wrong with that.

 

Religion isn't the same; a Christian can't go in a Mosque...!

You remplace it by an other thing, right, but for that you must destroy! That's don't stay a Church, so it is.

 

I suspect it's a question of zoning. Land is classed as residential, commercial or industrial and it can be very difficult to get permission to build something different. Religious buildings are often classed separately so if a church closes down, anyone wanting to convert it to something else (flats, offices etc.) would have to jump through a lot of legal hoops. Converting it in to a Mosque means is still a religious building. Similarly, getting permission to build a mosque anywhere else could be very difficult. This means that if someone wishes to have a new mosque, closed churches are the most likely site for them.

 

I didnt say that - I said they had the same God.

Yes, they can. I've done it - and I'm an apatheist.

It doesn't matter since someone who has bought it can do with it what they wish. If you dont like it, buy the church off them.

 

Ok, I understand better.
But that's always damage to destroy an old Church, I think.

 

No, Christians believe in Jésus and think that he was God, Mulims don't.
And the name of the God is diffrent.

They can go one; but they can't pray one etc...
That's not religion place for them!

Awh, yes, I will buy it!!

 

I talked with someone who lived in Saudi Arabia for 2 years, and he told me about a muslim family that invited him to his home. They were talking, and this man asked the muslim man, "Is it not possible we both worship the same God?" The muslim man made it clear that "Allah is not the Christian God", he absoluted insisted the two were not the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkJoQIX-ssw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-SkX_dzTFU

 

You need to take that up with the Christians who stop attending, leading to it closing in the first place. Whether it is converted in to a mosque, an office, a nightclub or just slowly crumbles in to a ruin, the church (building) is destroyed.

Of course I always thought the traditional Christian principal was that The Church was the people and the buildings were secondary.

 

We can always conserve them, I think; just as an historic building if there's nobady who go pray one...
Well, I think that's not a good thing to destroy some old Church like that who have been very important in the history of Europe!...

 

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/04/08/mosque-allows-christian-church-in-to-hold-easter-services/

 

Why not recycle disused churches? Religion is over. We have no use for them and rather they be recycled that way than turned into flats as most are here.

 

Your source was obviously mistaken. They follow the Abrahamic God, like Jews and Christians do, though some Christians deny it.


" ... People of the Book (Arabic: أهل الكتاب‎ ‎ ′Ahl al-Kitāb) is a term used to designate non-Muslim adherents to faiths which have a revealed scripture[1] called, in Arabic, Ahl-Al-Kitab (Arabic: الكتاب ‎ "the people of the Book" or "people of the Scripture"). The three types of adherents to faiths that the Qur'an mentions as people of the book are the Jews, Sabians and Christians.
In Islam, the Muslim scripture, the Qur'an, is taken to represent the completion of these scriptures, and to synthesize them as God's true, final, and eternal message to humanity. Because the People of the Book recognize the God of Abraham as the one and only god, as do Muslims, and they practice revealed faiths based on divine ordinances, tolerance and autonomy is accorded to them in societies governed by sharia (Islamic divine law).
In Judaism the term "People of the Book" (Hebrew: עם הספר, Am HaSefer) was used to refer specifically to the Jewish people and the Torah, and to the Jewish people and the wider canon of written Jewish law (including the Mishnah and the Talmud). Adherents of other Abrahamic religions, which arose later than Judaism, were not added.[2] As such, the appellation is accepted by Jews as a reference to an identity rooted fundamentally in Torah.[3]
In Christianity, the Catholic Church rejects the similar expression "religion of the book" as a description of the Christian faith, preferring the term "religion of the Word of God."[4] Nevertheless, other denominations, such as the Baptists, Methodists, Seventh-day Adventist Church[5][6] as well as Puritans and Shakers, have embraced the term "People of the Book." ..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_the_Book

 

What I am able to understand is statistics, and the necessity of a clear majority to bring about fundamental societal change in a democracy. Let's take the UK as an example of this 'inevitable Islamification', shall we? When the first wave of immigration from Commonwealth countries (including Islamic ones such as Pakistan) was over, this resulted in something like 1% of the British population being of the Islamic faith. Today the figure stands at roughly 2.5%, which means an increase of 1.5% over a period of sixty years (translated as a rate of increase of 1% for every forty years). Assuming that rate is constant, it will take 2,000 years for the slimmest majority (52.5%) to be achieved. I very much doubt any of the motes of dust which will be my remains is going to be unduly bothered by that, and anyway we will probably have destroyed the earth in our various wars on terrorism, Communism, and Islam, by then.

 

Why even bother talking to someone who makes blanket statements like "Islam does not have anything of value to offer"? He's a paranoid bigot, plain and simple.

 

All three religions - Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, worship the God of Abraham. I repeat, they are not destroying anything - simply using an existing structure so designed as a place of worship.

 

What is the problem with using EMPTY Churches for a Mosque. What else would it be used for, or would you rather it stay empty and just age?

Or just demolish them and build some non-Islamic building in it's place.

The real problem you should be focused on is: Why are there so many empty Churches in Europe to be made into Mosques to begin with?

 

if they want to preserve the church, they should not of abandoned it

 

[video=youtube;SnRWcSWnrH4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SnRWcSWnrH4[/video]

No, no. This is just what the progressives want everyone to believe, that we can all "get along", and that there are not really any differences between religions.
Complete myth. Even some immigrant muslim organisations have been paying for TV space to try to convince unsuspecting Westerners that they worship the same god as the Christians, to lull Christians into a false sense of complacency. But go to Saudi Arabia and ask if Allah is the same god of the Christians. You will get laughed at.

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/238808-muslims-actually-worship-moon-god.html
http://www.politicalforum.com/global-issues/174272-lying-islam.html

 

That is entirely correct - there is hardly any different and they can get along just fine. Also, do you have a problem with people buying property and using it as they see fit?

Allah is the same God of Christians and Jews. Saudis will confirm this.

 

I know someone who has lived in Saudi Arabia for ten years and they have said the reverse. I have spoken to a Saudi myself and he has said the reverse. They are the same God - the Quran says so. You're friend was talking to an idiot.

 

Again, irrelevant.

No, it isnt - its just in a different language - it still means the same thing. Talk to a an Arabic Christian and they will say they believe in Allah.

Once again, if someone buys anything, whether a church or whatever, they have the right to pray in it, to have sex in it - to do WHATEVER THEY WANT in it.

If you cant buy it, you have no place to demand its owners do anything.

 

Of course Christians can enter a mosque- at least in Egypt they can. Please know what you are talking about before you post.