And you may be right. But I was talking about the perception of trump supporters as he ran for that high office. And his campaign speeches could make one believe that he would represent them, at least more so than they have been represented for decades. Sanders offered up working class representation too, from the left, while hillary offered little if any. Trump ran on getting us out of these wars, and investing at home, investing in the people. He ran on easing tensions with a dangerous nuclear power, russia, although the tin foil hat MSM and congress has hardly allowed that to happen. If trump tried seriously to work towards that he would of course be accused of more treason and a conspiracy with putin. He was castrated early on by congress in these regards. Trump has noted real problems in several areas and is doing something to address that, even is the opposition is fighting him, opposition from both parties, those same parties sanders and trump voters rejected in 2016. And I do think in some areas he has acted in the best interest, long term, of the average american which no one has done for decades. I think that is factual, although it is doubtful partisans, ideologues and haters have the mental ability to recognize that reality. And remember, the alternative to trump was....hillary. A great bastion of the status quo, and the kind of politician Princeton talked about in their study. So, I think trump, even as bad as he is, has represented working people, more so than hillary would ever do, while still enriching the top one percent, as every president has done beginning with reagan. To maintain that trump has not represented at least some of the best self interests of working americans, unlike the presidents before him is simply not true.
Agreed if the point is to stop them from coming by foot over the border. But he has done very litle about tracking down expired visa and punishing employers. Until there is no chance of them getting hired they will continue to come in droves.
It cracks me up when so called analysts, such as the one preceding you use barbaric terms to describe the president of the USA. All I have to say is check Trumps enthusiastic crowds. They tell the tale of the tape.
What the hell? I was not enthusiastic about Trump in the past election. This time i am very enthusiastic. I have seen daily Democrats trying barbaric terms on Trump and it has not impressed me, and it does not make me feel sorry that Democrats lost.
How can you say that and not try to prove what you said? Apparently you want employers punished even more than the illegals. Study the law and see how many employers are exempt from that law.
I like this analysis the best so far. Reason, it does not engage in the blatant name calling so often seen coming from Democrats. And it is the real world. Notice the Democrats are still stumbling around in the dark with no idea at all who their candidate will be.
True, about the stumbling, but as an Independent, having left the DP under Clinton, when he signed NAFTA, I am leaning strongly towards Gabbard, as I fully agree with her on most issues she has taken a position on. Especially regime change, perpetual war for perpetual peace neoconish foreign policy. She almost sounds like trump did in his campaign speeches, in regards to foreign policy. Of course, this means if by a long shot, she were to beat trump, she would have DC conspiring to take here down, as they did trump, when he was perceived to be too soft on russia, and wanting to get out of the middle east and invest in america. Which I believe, helped him to beat hillary. Trump ran on issues that resounded with enough of us, in the intelligent center, for him to take the electoral college, IMO. Yet I did not vote for trump, but that required lots of thought on who I would vote for, and it sure as hell would not be hillary.
The two Republicans I favored above Trump (and in my mind he was not 3rd or 4th) failed to scoot over the finish line. I did my wailing for a short time, buckled my adult belt and looked harder at Trump. I did not enjoy his style at all. But he appealed to the masses. So when November rolled up on me, he got my vote and will again.
I see the authoritarian Democrats as the problem. Trump has worked to restore freedom. That is why they do not like the man.
And as I said, I had to really think about it, once sanders got eliminated. Thing is, when I listened to trump's campaign speeches, some of his stances were appealing to me, for believe it or not, sanders was talking about the same things, but had a leftist fix. But at least they shared a commonality in seeing problems that others seemed to ignore. I do believe that some sanders supporters, older ones, FDR democrats, no longer in that party, voted for trump, for the reasons I have mentioned on this forum over the last two years. I respect the opinions and positions of the moderately conservative right, as I do the moderately liberal/progressive left. It's the radicals on both sides that I find just a bit crazy and that I find rather dangerous.
I agree. We need tougher penalties for businesses for sure. Let the CEO go to jail for it and it will end quickly.
Doesn’t it seem though that of you aren’t far left you are unwanted by the left? My mom was a life long Democrat and changed with Trump. She said the democrat party didn’t speak for her any longer. I don’t think she is alone.
She's not, Homer, but there are not nearly as many as you think like your mother. Many of them, now that Hillary is gone, will move back next year, I think.
Yes, it is true that he has not. His actions have cut or cost or threaten jobs. Thank heavens public perception and Congress hamstrung his visual attempts to cozy up to Putin. He has not built the wall. He has turned the border into a crisis where none existed. There has been no health care reform. Workers? Pah. However, he cut a magnificent tax deal for the wealthy.
Actually in 2016 Trump won "some college" voters by 8%. Democrats won college graduates by a slim 5 points. Over a third of postgrads voted Trump. It's true better educated voters more often vote Democrat, but not by anything near what your hyperbole would suggest. It's not like the left isn't playing fear-based identity politics. In fact I'd argue they're doing so far more. Racism on the right is taboo, racism on the left is orthodoxy. I agree Trump is an idiot, but AOC isn't any less so. There are idiots all over the political spectrum. Trump is a protest vote for rural America and the working class, not much more.
I don't think so, not for my mom anyway. She hates seeing how the left have become rabid and it has royally turned her off. She has become an independent. I think Trump being elected showed a lot of people who the democrat politicians and the media are and it is disturbing to many of them. A fishing buddy of mine is a democrat and he never saw the bias by the media until Trump came along and now he sees it but seems to think it is new and only against Trump lol. It's funny but most of the democrats I know appreciate free speech, denounce violence and believe in borders. Usually, we can discuss and meet in the middle on almost any topic but seem the left (politicians) don't want to have any discussion, their is just this blind hatred.
Echoing what democrats leaving the party are saying? Yes. I think the 2020 election results will be more telling.
"So, we have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them. There is no travel ban on them. There is no ban on -- you know, they had the Muslim ban. There is no white guy ban," he said. This is the liberal media and it sounds like blind hatred to me and this isn't at Trump this is at the entire race.
That will blurb will not ring in the upper MW plus Hillary is not the candidate. The blind hatred of the Trump Right is out on full display.
If your BLOTUS actually wanted to stop illegal immigration he would have targeted corporations that hire them. Instead he gave them a MASSIVE tax break! If your BLOTUS actually was concerned about the best interests of hard working Americans he would not be GUTTING the EPA and EDUCATION. The LIES spouted by the BLOTUS are EXPOSED by his ACTIONS!
