My thoughts on today's Cooper Testimony

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  1. hudson1955

    hudson1955 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Seems like Dems and Liberal Media think Cooper dropped a bomb, don't know why. Same day as phone call, ok, yet know mention on phone call transcript.

    Here is a worthy scenario. Zelensky found out about hold or perhaps someone in his Government did and emails sent to our Government. After speaking with Zelensky, Trump puts through directive to release funds based on their convo. Wow big news.

    Ukraine got their funds And additionally their military weapons and Trump and Zelensky got to further know each other And now they are buds.

    My opine.
     
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    On Sept. 9 the House began its investigation on the hold of military aid to Ukraine.

    On Sept. 11, Trump removed the hold.

    Strange you didn't mention the far more Sondland testimony.

    E.U. Ambassador Gordon Sondland is a political appointee, not a career foreign service advisor, having contributed one million dollars to the Trump campaign. Whenever he wants, he can dial up the President. That may change after today.

    “I know that members of this Committee have frequently framed these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a ‘quid pro quo?’,” Sondland’s statement reads. “As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes.”

    Specifically, “a quid pro quo for arranging a White House visit for [Ukrainian] President [Volodymyr] Zelensky,” which Zelensky felt was essential to his country's survival against Russian aggression.

    In addition, Sondland summarized Giuliani’s role in his testimony.

    Mr. Giuliani’s requests were a quid pro quo for arranging a White House visit for President Zelensky. Mr. Giuliani demanded that Ukraine make a public statement announcing investigations of the 2016 election/DNC server and Burisma. Mr. Giuliani was expressing the desires of the President of the United States, and we knew that these investigations were important to the President.

    Burisma is code for Biden. Hunter Biden was on the board of Burisma.

    For Trump, Sondland's testimony was devastating. There is much more, far too much for this venue.
     
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    Fox News reports, "Former Whitewater Independent Counsel Ken Starr said that the testimony of Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland all but guarantees articles of impeachment will be drawn up by House Democrats."

    The Republicans are struggling to defend Trump. Basically, their defense is three-pronged.

    They attack the Democrats, call the impeachment inquiry a sideshow, and attack the media for reporting the developments of the inquiry.

    They say that President Zelensky never felt the pressure of extortion. American assistance and Trump's good graces are existential for Ukraine, and the very last thing Zelensky would do is impugn the American President's intentions. It would be suicidal, and that goes for his ministers as well.

    They would ask if Trump ever told the witnesses directly that he was extorting the Ukrainian leader to get what he wanted. This last defense indicates they think that Trump is an idiot. The idea that Trump didn't tell Sondland that he was bribing Zelensky to get the investigations of the Bidens and the debunked Crowdstrike is no defense. Trump did tell Sondland, Volker, and Perry, "Talk to Rudy." Giuliani was working to get the investigations, and the "Three Amigos" did as they were told and worked with Giuliani who was in turn working for his client, Trump.

    The other weakness of the third defense is that it exposes the obvious. Who did have personal knowledge of the Trump's wishes and the quid pro quo? Why, Mulvaney, Bolton, Pompeo, and Giuliani, of course. Who is preventing those four to testify? Why, Trump, of course.
     
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    Trump campaign sources say EU Ambassador Gordon Sondland's allegation of a quid pro quo implicating Trump and top administration officials "blindsided" aides inside the White House, the re-election campaign as well as some Republican lawmakers.

    A separate Trump campaign adviser was furious with Sondland's testimony, calling it "aggravating." The adviser said it came as a complete surprise that the EU Ambassador would implicate senior members of the administration. "It was really bizarre," the adviser said, adding Sondland appeared to be throwing top administration officials under the bus in real time.

    Another campaign source in touch with the White House team handling impeachment today said at the outset of the Sondland hearing, those aides seemed to be distressed – seemed to be “freaking out.” The source acknowledged Sondland’s testimony undermined the White House’s central argument that there was “no quid pro quo,” noting there are some Trump allies who have wanted to shift from that to arguing the appearance of quid pro quo was really just the President executing his legitimate foreign policy goals.


    Then, of course, came the usual denial of reality.

    A third campaign source said enough questions were raised about Sondland's testimony by GOP members to protect Trump from sustaining serious damage. "No direct hit," the Trump adviser said.

    https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n...g-11-20-19/h_3ab96a833fe6cad36af65a69daf9b320
     
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    Wouldn't it be nice if the witnesses actually witnessed something?
     
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    Sondland couldn't testify to the dem clown show narrative and witnesses have testified that quid pro quo's in foreign aid are common.
     
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    Not in exchange for dirt on you political opponents they're not!!
     
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    She reported that the UKRAINEANS were calling to find out where the promised defense funds were the day BEFORE Dirty Donald July call to president Zalinsky.So they were fully aware there was something holding up the promised and appropriated funds.
     
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    They were calling in JULY, the funds were not released until after the WHISTLE FROM THE WHISTLEBLOWER in SEPTEMBER????
     
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    You think it is abnormal to ask about funding?
     
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    The transcript showed that Zelensky knew in advance what Trump was referring to...and he knew he had not gotten the funding.

    Ya know how Zelensky knew?

    Because he had not gotten the funding
     
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    Actually Ukraine got the funding but then there is always the dem clown show narrative.
     

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