My wife said her health insurance is going up 20% to 40% next year.

we did not get the main part of his plan... the public option

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just giving credit where credit is due, the individual mandate is a Conservative idea, not something we dems wanted

 

This is the best indication to me that Obamacare is a failure and you guys know it, regardless of what you say. You are constantly trying to give Republicans "credit" for Obamacare, even though Republicans didn't vote for it, and opposed it down the line.

 

it's just a starting point, long way to go... definitely need the public option

Conservatives played a part in ObamaCare, Obama needed there votes and gave in to their demands and they still did not vote for it, that was a mistake, he never should of gave in to republican demands

your trying to play stupid..... we all lived through this, we were there, too early to re-write history

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I'm not trying to re-write history. We know how it went down, it wasn't that long ago. And you know too, that's why we have this desperate grasp of trying to some how pin Obamacare on the Republicans. "Don't blame us, we had a great plan but the Republicans ruined it..."

 

Regardless of what we ended up with, our leader sold us the plan based on lies. Whatever else he wanted and didn't get is meaningless because the plan he did get enacted he then sold to us on lies that have to date proven to be lies. We're not saving $2500 per family on average, and actually nowhere near that amount. Subsidies are not savings and most others are paying more than they were before. There's no way to maneuver around the fact that he lied repeatedly to sell the public on the plan. To me it's not a right/left issue, but rather one of dishonesty and the creation of further distrust. Only one person is responsible for that (well, except his cheerleaders - other Democratic leaders - who trumpeted his lies in repetition). That's my only point in the thread.

 

Don't know unless you are on a subsidized policy or it is not time for your renewal. I have never had it stay the same two years in a row even before the PPACA

 

Yes me paying 100% of my health insurance and you thinking that makes it subsidized really makes me the problem with America. Being able to deduct it as a business expense just means I have to report it on my W-2's so I doubt the government not getting those dozens of extra dollars in SS and medicare taxes on that deduction to a business turned to income for me is going to bankrupt the government.

 

our leader sold us on ObamaCare, we got CongressCare

 

That's completely false. We were sold on a savings per month, no change in the plans we already had, and no change in doctors. What we got was completely the opposite of what one man promised. He knew what was in the bill but he made a conscious decision to deceive the people in order to obtain support. It's not about the plan. It's about the person who lied about it deliberately.

 

we were sold on a public option.... that is what Obama wanted, that is what I voted for

 

So you just ignored the lies and went with what he wanted instead of hearing what you actually got and the lies he used to support it?

 

nope, I know this is just the starting point, never expected it to be perfect from the get go

 

If that is the real increase for the actual plan then all it means is that Obamacare has forced her employer to provide actual insurance.

 

It normally did increase yearly, but never by such high percentages and the terms never had such negative changes. Dropping providers, hospitals, clinics, increasing deductibles and out of pocket, limiting coverage on various medical supplies and equipment.

The PPACA failed to adequately regulate Insurance Companies. It mainly, under Medicare, cut payments to providers, cut covered services or reduced the reasonable and customary on many services. And, then as usual, Private insurance companies followed Medicare. They say, if the provider is willing to accept Medicares payment for a given service then that is all we will agree to pay for that service. Medicare basically is now setting the fees for all insurance. Medicaid pays even less than Medicare and that is why so many providers refuse to treat Medicaid patients. So increasing the number people covered under Medicaid isn't such a good thing. For the patient or the doctors and hospitals. And, it will definitely drive up the overall cost of providing medical care and the cost of private insurance/group insurance premiums.

Do you understand that the cost of providing medical care and the cost of premiums are two separate things?

 

Yes I do.
Do you understand that the price of medical care has nothing to do with the cost of actually providing that care?
It is not the insurance companies that need to be regulated but the providers, who charge whatever they can get away with regardless of the actual cost to them.

 

the age us a bit of the large problem...that was the issue that needed to be addressed and it was totally ignored...mine has gone up from 1000. month for two with a 25.00 copay to now 2116.00 and a 250.00 copay..we are both in our early 60's..and no medical issues...

 

he doesnt understand much..if he owned a home and he would be able to deduct some of his expenses too..but it is a waste of time to try to educate these types...

 

Best advice anyone could give, really.