Mystery leaks (sabotage) hit Russian (Nordstream 1 and 2) undersea gas pipelines to Europe

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  1. Jack Hays

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    NATO Says Sabotage Damaged Pipeline while EU Vows to Protect Energy Infrastructure. The EU’s top diplomat Josep Borrell said the bloc will make a “robust and united response” against any attack on its energy systems. His comments came after two Russian gas pipelines to Europe began leaking in the Baltic Sea. Denmark and Sweden are investigating the leaks, which happened in their waters, with Danish authorities saying it may take one to two weeks before the pipelines are calm enough for workers to assess damages. NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg called the leaks sabotage, with both the EU and Russia agreeing they could have been deliberate attacks. The Kremlin earlier dismissed claims that Moscow was behind the leaks as “stupid.” Reuters
     
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    In my view, it wouldn't matter what inner conflict was happening INSIDE the soveriegn borders of Ukraine. Again, in 94 Russia made a global agreement to both respect the borders and the governance of Ukraine. If they had any issues or concerns there would have been a much more diplotic and immediate options for them to persue.

    INVADING AND CONQUERING LANDS is not one of them. It never will be. But then that's exactly why Putin injected a militia into the area to further disrupt and exaderbait the situation. Exactly when they decided to "take" Crimea.

    Countries have eternal conflict. That shouldn't rob them of their soverienty. Sorry. You have no rightous hill to stand on based off both agreements signed and Putin's choices/actions. If he were concerned for Russian lives in Ukrain the GROWN UP thing to do would be to offer a safe path to citezenship and migration to Russia while using the UN to deal with the violence in Ukraine.

    But they wanted land and resources (bread basket). They wanted their port city and a land path to it. This was never about anything other than that.
     
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    So we should expect the EU to attack the US?
     
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    They are trying to divert the hundreds of thousand German protesters that wanted Nord Stream I and Nord Stream I to be utilized so they wouldn't freeze, from the obvious.

    When the first sanctions were imposed, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts a former economic advisor to Pres. Reagan and one of the most brilliant men in the country, said that in Washington there was talk of pitting Europe against Russia so they could buy up everything afterwards. Roberts was furious and said they want to throw us into a nuclear war.

    Of course Washington began their demonizing campaign to discredit him. Oh well what else is new?
     
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    The people bombed either left, were captured or killed. And the few remaining were told to vote yes at gunpoint.

    This isn't rocket science Billy. You seem to lack common sense in this regard and it's kind of sad to have to explain it to you constantly.
     
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    Wow! Chuda. What a surprise that the Kremlin is lying that they could be responsible for the leak. Just like Putin saying in January this year that the Russian troops/forces at the borders of Ukraine were just on maneuvers or that maybe they got lost looking for Starbucks.
     
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    There is another theory, Putin did it:

    https://twitter.com/MikaLoukkonen84/status/1574954665430908929
     
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    If you think anyone is so stupid as to accept anything you say, well then I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. You lost your credibility a long, long time ago and you just keep accentuating it.

    [​IMG]thi

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    cannot refrain from buying me
    Well I am for sale and a steal,
    so why not? - Jeannette

     
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    Of COURSE when smacked with common sense you can only come back with a stupid adhomn. Go away little bot. Thank you for paying taxes to help fund future freedom missles.
     
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    And the US agreed to respect the sovereignty of nations and then Nuland and Biden had their coup and overthrew the elected Pres. of Ukraine and put in their own man 'Yats'. If Washington and the EU had issues or concerns, then they should have honored the agreement signed with Yanukovich to hold elections in December. But instead they forced him and his family to leave at gun point, as well as anyone who represented the majority of the voters in Ukraine.
     
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    Gee or maybe the orcs just did what they normally do and built it not to the specs they advertised.
    I mean, all that war material we've been capturing with things like store bought GPS taped to the dash etc, doesn't give you any clues?
     
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    So how is this :above: rhetoric, got to do with the fact that Lenin gave away this Russian land with Russians still living on it having at least four generations of living within the borders of Ukraine now, got to do with my quoted post?
    All you've done is some impressive verbal diarrhea with what has been going on for the last 30 years.
    It's interesting you don't include all of the histories, you forgot to mention what occurred after WWII, in particular in western Ukraine, then the US state department's and CIA's involvement in Ukraine, especially around the 2014
    when a coup was created to put the democratically elected President out of office, because he said no, to a deal offered by the IMF.
    You also failed to mention the neo-nazi factions raised by the CIA within Ukraine, you know, Svoboda, Trident and Right Sektor the puppets used to create the chaos. Hmm, I wonder why there was this vote for independence was quashed, it wouldn't have anything to do with the latter, hey?
    What about all those denials and admissions?
     
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    Oh I forgot, Russia destroyed its own pipelines to make Ukraine look bad.

    I don't know why I even bother to respond to these posts. In 2 or 3 days Russia will be a bigger country, and Ukraine will lose that which was never theirs anyway. After that it will be Kharkov and Odessa. Only Kiev will be left and they'll be begging Russia to take them.

    As for Nato, they'll drag the war to Finland and Baltics and pity them. Russia will not be as merciful.
     
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    Bill...CIA warned Germany weeks ago ...the Mafiosi was planning to destroy the pipes.

    You can't blame US on this one....:).
     
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    How about Azov....?:)
     
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    You ever stop to think that the Germans built the affected sections?

    You know, 3 different lines....that happen to blow up all at the same time. This ain't got :icon_shithappens: to do with specs. Besides, we've been told by the West that Russia doesn't have the tech to build anything like this, remember???? Seems y'all need to make up your minds what propaganda is to be spread today. Surely Russian subs can't go undetected and pull off this kind of operation?? My oh my, what a quandary. What lies with the MSM tell now?
     
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    Surely you're not that dumb.....oh wait!

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    1. Dieter Nohlen & Philip Stöver (2010) Elections in Europe: A data handbook, page 1976 ISBN 9783832956097
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    ^ Sure just find a problem with any of those sources
     
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    Well done, do you want a medal or a chest to pin it on? :applause::applause::applause::applause::trophy:
     
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    You ever stop to think that Russians had overall control and direction of the project?
    If its a spec problem that blew out sections of pipe, that's not a sub necessary my dude.
    Though if what you're saying is that the US did it and our technology so outclasses you and the rest of the planet such that you couldn't even detect us doing it... maybe you stop talking so much ****?
    IDK man, that's what I would do if I thought my opponent outclassed me that hard, I'd shut the **** up.
     
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    O your attaboy is all I need to keep going.
    Maybe you'll just read the sources and stop questioning the idea that the soviet union dissolved creating numerous independent nations one of which was Ukraine in the 90s.
     

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