Mystery leaks (sabotage) hit Russian (Nordstream 1 and 2) undersea gas pipelines to Europe

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  1. Monash

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    Errr... they did 'end it' back in February 22. In case you didn't read the news Germany cancelled its cooperation on the project back then. No need to blow it up, just stop work on it and don't use it to transport gas, end of story and it hasn't been touched since. And again it would be glaringly obvious to all NATO members if work ever started up again or gas started flowing through it! So again NATO including the US had no need to destroy it. Nord 2's tap was turned off. Nord 1 was active but Germany was paying for its gas.

    Funnily enough though sabotaging NORD 1 does 'punish' Germany as the main customer. Now who do you suppose would want to do that in a way that has plausible deniability while sending a message that the same thing could happen to other critical undersea NATO country infrastructure?
     
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    AHAHAHAA! So you say. hahaha-lol.gif
     
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    I don't read much of Jenny's postings....I'd rather watch paint dry.

    "Biden will tell you straight up"?.....one man's opinion?....World leaders say lotsa things? Doesnt mean they mean half what they say.
     
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    I will skim it sometimes but normally it is all insane drivel and lies so why bother?
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    I rarely read one of her droppings, and then I rarely get past the first absurd sentence :lol:
     
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    Kinda figured that you don't read much.
    That's why you state this kinda stuff. Because you don't indulge in informing yourself, you'll be never the wiser, oomy. ;)
     
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    Yes, that video is quite damning. This situation is amazingly convoluted.
    - Did Putin do it so he can blame some selected enemy and use that to justify using a small nuke on Ukraine?
    - Did Putin do it for some other reason, like gathering domestic support against an external threat?
    - Did Biden do it for some radical "green" reason?
    - Did Biden do it to initiate some extreme action by Putin?
    - Did China do it to stir up more violence in the west?
    - Did Iran do it to foment the chaos required by their prophecies to take the wind out of civil unrest in their country?
    - Did some rogue radical "movement" do it as part of their own strategy?
    - Did some European country do it to foment unrest in their energy-strapped nation to initiate revolution?
    - Did industrial players do it to enhance the value of the new Norway-to-Poland pipeline?

    Stay tuned.
     
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    What do you think I'm misconstruing about his words? Biden said, "there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it." That seems like a pretty straight-forward and overt threat. If he meant it some other way, he's even more incompetent than I imagined, because to most listeners, that's going to come across as a simple threat.
     
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    Yeah...usually after the first sentence or so I need some fresh air....jeepers.:)
     
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    No different than when Trump was shouting at every journalists regardless of networks...labeling them as "fake news".
     
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    Nord Stream 2 was already shut down. Also Russian ships were hang out at that location just a day or two before the explosions so it is pretty clear Putler did it.
     
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    I read lots....not Jenny dribble.

    I state what I state....Bidens opinion...nothing more.
     
  14. UntilNextTime

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    Picture books don't count oomy. I was stating that Biden says, "we'll do whatever it takes". You can look at another post by HurricaneDikta, that's on this page, he does the dialogue transcript for us.
     
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    You may be absolutely right. But remember, this the same guy that ends his remarks at a podium and can't find his way off the stage, seeking to shake hands with someone that is not there. The same guy that called a dead woman to join him up on the stage. So... who knows? Only time will tell.
     
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    From my perspective, I think his (Biden's) madness is selective.
     
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    Again, you could be right. All rules are gone. Truth is not important to libs. They will do or say anything for power. Libs lie to Americans at every turn because they think they are superior and others don't count.
     
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    Are you being selective?
     
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    A great breakdown on why Russia blew up Nordstream 1 and 2.

     
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    Tell me, why would someone blow up their own pipeline when they control the valves? Why Russia blew up NordStream? Please.:roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:Please, by all means, don't take Biden's words seriously, or should you?
    the dialogue;

    courtesy: HurricaneDikta

     
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    If you watched the video then you would know. Gazprom is in breach of its contractual obligations and will be hit with tens of billions in fines. If the pipeline gets damaged then Gazprom has a legal out in the contract and won't have to pay tens of billions in fines. So, yes, Putin has tens of billions of reasons to damage the pipelines.
     
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    Oh, it makes more sense now. Even if there was any chance of peace, which there were a few times when idiots such as Johnson fcked things up. But yet it was the EU that imposed sanctions on Russia. And then, we have the dialogue from Biden and planning done by Victoria Nuland and Geoffery Payatt, the US Ambassador to Ukraine, where she say's, "fck the EU", in their conversation.
    When you have one narrative told by one side, it can seem pretty credible, but what most people don't consider, is diving a little deeper into who is really pulling the strings. As an example, why does the US have such a vested interest in Ukraine, apart from being a NATO member? Many have stated what relationship the two countries have, more so in the last 74 years.
     
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    We did that, we complained to the United Nations.
     
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    Heh, It may not be wrong, but it's not always practical.

    I think we've already established that in your worldview is that it's still 1992 and the US is still a hyperpower, so in that lens, your comments make sense. It's just that it's 2022 and the US is a declining, weak power running on fumes.

    As to whether Russia sabotaged their own pipeline, I suppose it's possible, but I've been scratching my head about the motive, and I've yet seen one that makes any sense. But I'll keep looking.
     
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    Sure .. that makes sense, in loop de do land - where life is beautiful all the time -- and there is not actually a war going on which could easily escalate over such event .. move the contest outside its current borders.

    But who fkn cares aye mate -- just say stupid things - completely oblivious to the dangers - no idea how to assess the geopolitical chessboard position .. or the dangers that may or may not exist..

    Yeah.. thats probably not it .. under-water deep Sea Diving -- with exposives -- some Russian Pensioner in some Homer episode.

    Now an overzealous Lib --- sitting in the Pentagon .. or Con .. as in da "NeoCon" :) that is more likely, but really stupid.. unless one's plan/desire is to escalate .. but, who benefits from that ? ... That is question worth pondering.
     
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