NASA Ranks This August Warmest On Record

So...which is it Global Warming or 'Climate Change?'

That definition of global warming and climate change wins the most convoluted, contradictory 'global warming' explanation award...

 

Wow, do you people even read what you post? If it's not everywhere, you can't call it GLOBAL warming. What you're talking about is normal climatic changes that have happened since the earth was formed. What you 'climate change' (or whatever you have decided to call it today) people have established is the most convenient way of justifying a failed agenda. \

First of all, you couldn't really establish it was 'Global Warming' so you changed it to 'Climate Change'
You couldn't really use 'Climate Change' because that doesn't really support what you're trying to prove, so you changed it to 'Climate Disruption'

Now you're saying it is Global Warming, but it doesn't happen everywhere - some places will cool and some places will warm. But you get to decide which places actually define that the globe is warming and dismiss which don't. I mean you couldn't have set up a better dupe. Well, this is premised on the belief that we're too stupid to see what you're doing here.

 

More claims that are completely devoid of substance.

It's a simple question that is commonly answered in the practice of science. I'm not arguing that there are no reasons why the table may have changed. I'm asking for THE reason that NASA decided to change the table. NASA is funded by taxpayer dollars. This means the information I ask for should be readily available to the public. Why can none of you answer my question? Why is it that all you can do is fling invective and question me? Shouldn't your frustration be directed at the people who failed to provide you with what should be a very simple answer?

What changed between June and August of this year, that caused NASA to modify it's published table of temperature indexes going back all the way to 1880? Did they collect different samples? Did they modify their model? Did they find some previously undetected error? What's the reason? None of you know.

And yet you claim that we're the ones that don't know what we're talking about...

Sad.

 

Your post shows an overwhelming ignorance of global weather patterns.

 

To the contrary, the claim that you can pick and choose which parts of the globe that are warming and ignore the parts that are cooling and claim we have global warming is about absurd as it gets. There are patterns of global temperature changes that have been going since this earth was formed. Now to suddenly come along and use selective regions, and even selective months to support your claim, and to even claim it's man-caused is so disingenuous that there really aren't words to describe the absurdity of it.

I mean think about this debate... I gave some regions in various parts of the globe (one being a key indicator - the Antarctic) that have trends of cooling and I was told "you can't select just certain parts of the globe to claim the globe is cooling, then right after that be told you CAN select certain parts of the globe to show that the globe is warming; even though there are parts that are cooling. Can't you see how absurd this is?

 

Sir or Madam - it is sadly obvious to me that you simply have such a limited (and/or politically twisted) understanding of climate change, including the scientific underpinnings, that it is impossible to carry on an intelligent conversation with you. Now then, while that polar air mass hovered over the lower 48 last winter, did you know that Alaska was having almost a record warm winter? Why? Here's a clue. Happy reading.

 

And I gave you the Antarctic – which has been the cornerstone spot in the world you global warming fanatics have used to prove the globe is warming: melting ice, chunks breaking away – which is cooling, ice has expanded in record numbers. So… so what about Alaska. You’re just being selective to try to bolster your claim.

You can throw that crap at me all day long and it only further shows how disingenuous this whole global warming thing is. I do understand logic. And the argument you and others have thrown out here doesn’t hold a drop in a 500 gallon barrel of logic. You cannot claim that you can selectively pick various places in the world that show warming trends as proof of global warming while dismissing someone else’s same contention that picking various places in the world that are cooling is a sign that the globe is cooling. You like to have it both ways…

If there are places that are warming the globe is warming.
If there are places that are cooling the globe is warming.

It’s an irrational, illogical claim.

 

Just look up the plant hardiness zones in the U.S.

They are moving north so...the U.S. is gradually getting warmer.

 

Yet the records show the US, especially the Midwest, is getting cooler.

 

I caught a show on the Science channel a while back – I don’t remember the name of the show so sorry that I can’t provide it. They were talking about these dinosaurs that were so large their respiratory system was built into their skeletal structure. They were trying to figure out why this was. They figured it was because the earth at that time had heavier concentrations of CO2 because of warming and their respiratory system helped them more efficiently take in oxygen. But they were massive and also plant eaters. They figured their size was due to the fact that plants were huge because of the CO2 levels. The dinosaurs grew in proportion to the plant growth so they could reach the most tender leaves at the top.

So they decided to do an experiment. They wanted to see the effects of heavy concentrations of CO2 on plant growth. They created an environment with large concentrations of CO2 put some plants in there and they found what they expected; the plant growth flourished. But something else happened that they didn’t expect; the plants got larger producing more oxygen. As they took in more CO2 and produced more oxygen they found the environment actually cooled and the plant growth diminished.

Two conclusions… If the earth is overwhelmed with CO2 and warmed it will adapt with larger plant growth, thus producing more oxygen and will eventually cool. Isn’t that neat?! The earth has its own built-in balancing mechanisms. They discovered some other interesting things… there was no massive flooding due to the warming and that the animal life adapted to the changing environment.

Final conclusion – We’re not going to die if the globe warms. Life will adapt. There is no need for all the hysteria. The fear mongering from the global warming crowd is nothing more than a political and fiscal movement to tear down industries they feel are making too much money. They want government to control the energy sector. With the overwhelming lack of logic behind their claims, and the constant push for destroying the fossil fuel industries, there is no other conclusion to make.

 

I am not hysterical and I am not trying to destroy the fossil fuel industry.

I have also seen science shows that claim dragonfly s grew so big because there was so much O2 in the atmosphere.

Plants may adapt...but will farmers adapt fast enough to feed an ever increasing population?

 

Yeah, St Ronnie Reagan should never have started kissing Muslim ass by starting that whole NASA Muslim outreach program. One of the stupidest things Reagan ever did.

 

That is very interesting, and encouraging. Do you have a link?

 

You can't be serious!

 

The hysteria is with people playing Chicken Little with this; like John Kerry getting out there claiming our national security is more at risk because of 'climate change' than terrorism. The hysteria is Al Gore producing a film with an animation of a polar bear floating on an ice floe claiming this is proof of global warming, when he has no real footage of such a thing, then he hauls off in his Cadillac SUV to this private jet to his next $500,000+ speech to tout the same lies.

I don't see farming being affected by it, and claiming it would be is complete conjecture. A warmer globe would mean longer crop seasons would mean more crops.

 

Like I said, it was several years ago and I just don't remember the name of the show.

 

You can't serious that you can claim that certain parts of the globe are warming while others are cooling and claim it's global warming, while denying that when the opposite is asserted that you can't just use certain part of the world to claim the globe is cooling. It's an illogical claim.

 

Your arguing over terminology here. All Global Warming refers to is the rising trend in the globes average temperature. No one ever claimed it referred to a rise in temperatures all across the globe at every location.. The only person here trying to make that connection is you. So you're trying to make it like you've just cracked some big scientific case. Except no scientist ever has claimed that temperatures at every single location would rise. So you're not actually proving anyone wrong. You're making a meaningless point. A red herring. You're twisting the actual meaning of global warming into something no one ever claimed it was.

All you're doing here is displaying a massive ignorance for what global warming means.

 

It's both. Global warming is the cause of climate change.

What's contradictory about it? Global warming means the globe is warming. Average global temperatures are rising.

 

Actually it’s the global warming advocates that are splitting hairs here. I will try this again…

You cannot claim that spots on the earth are warming while others are cooling and claim it’s global warming, while at the same time dismissing any claim to the opposite – that spots on the earth are cooling is indicative of global cooling.

I’m not claiming I’ve cracked anything. I’m simply showing how ridiculous this whole global warming argument has gotten. I mean you people can’t even make up your mind what you want to call it because the name doesn’t support the claim. And now you can even make it more CONVENIENT by saying that if this place or that is showing a warming trend, well it must be global warming. It’s either global or it’s not. If it’s not global, then what is the point? That warming temps in Alaska is going to result in global disasters? If scientists are claiming the warming isn’t global then remove the term ‘global’ and stop the fear mongering that this is our biggest threat to the human race. I’m not twisting it; it you and the global warming proponents that are twisting it are. You pick and choose which facts you want to use to support your claim while denying facts that marginalize your contention. If temps are rising in some places while falling in others, this is nothing more than just ordinary changing climates in various spots on the globe.

Why don’t you tell me this… what period of time do we have to use to get an accurate measure of a global climate change in one direction or the other? Because I am old enough to remember it was just about 40 years ago some of the same people screaming about global warming today were screaming that we were headed towards an ice age back in the 70s. Can this world's climate really change on a dime like that?

 

But....You haven't proven global warming yet.

If the Globe is warming then why is it also cooling?

 

No one here is claiming that's global warming. Global warming is a rise in the average global temperature.

This is a completely made up argument. No one is making either of these claims.

Global warming has never been called anything but global warming. You're not making sense.

It is global. It's taking every single temperature on the planet and averaging it out to create a global temperature. That temperature is rising. Thus global warming.

Climate change is not ordinary. It's a rare event that typically only happens after a massive triggering event. In this case it's human emissions.

There is no global climate change. Because climate change isn't global. That's why it's called global warming and not global climate change. Not every place on the planet will experience climate change. Many places all over the world will though.

You're misremembering it. No scientific organization was making the claim that we were heading to another ice age. Only the media was saying that. Not scientists.

 

The globe isn't cooling. It's warming. It's an average temperature measurment. You don't need every temperature to go up for the average to go up. That's not contradictory that's math.

 

Well then again...If the globe is warming then why are there areas that are cooling? Doesn't that mean that warming may not be a trend? Come on now...be honest.

 

There is no statistical warming since the beginning of this century. Remember, there are error bars involved. The warming involved was only from the 70's to the 90's. Now there is no warming now. Simple enough.