'Nazi Grandma' sent to jail again for Holocaust denial

Holocaust denialsm on this thread has been defeated beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I am personally appalled by the intent to conceal the mass murder of millions of innocent people by the Nazi government during the 2nd World War.
I have been insulted to an enormous degree by being accused of being a member of a cult, having my writings misrepresented and even had my statements completely falsified.

The only "cult" that has been represented here is that of the unfounded and unsubstantiated belief of holocaust denialism

The truth always wins in the end.

 

Well this is interesting. I deny that gas chambers ever existed & the holocaust story as we have been fed is not the real truth.

But I live in the UK & I can say this without being sent to Jail.

In Countries like Germany & France I would be sent to Jail for even making correct observations about auschwitz labour camp in regards to the number of alleged deaths in the camp; despite the fact that the phoney numbers have even been reduced over the yeas, yet to say different from the original made-up numbers will see you in prison & lots of zionists wetting their pants jumping up & down shouting that anyone that challenged their phoney legacy should just shut up & be put in prison.

 

SELF PROCLAIMED "VICTORY"

Your Off -Topic & fallacious, self proclaimed "Victory" is only in your own mind.

You've never actually refuted the innumerable facts I've cited; you've simply denied salient realities

The only thing you've proven is that you have far more free time to deny historical realities than working individuals with active lives outside of Forum Posting.

For example, you couldn't & can't refute an initial fact that:

“In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communi-cations between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED

You can refute neither the fact that British cracked the German “Enigma” code nor can you refute their findings that:
the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED



The topic of this thread is: "'Nazi Grandma' sent to jail again for Holocaust denial"

When pressed for your true feelings about Frau Haverbeck's right to Free Speech, you once responded:

Now, puffed up with moral indignation, you claim:

Which of your deep convictions is true?


Don't confuse my boredom with your puerile debating evasions & shortage of free time as a concession to the specious myth of

 

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However, you may not be jailed for rejecting the core myths of Holocaustian lore but there are other costs that come with truth telling

For example:

“The fastest way to get expelled from a British university is by saying you are looking at chemical evidence for how Zyklon was used in World War II, with a discussion of how delousing technology functioned in the German World War II labour camps”
—Nicholas Kollerstrom




Thanks

 

Granny says, "Dat's right...

... an' feed her on scant fare...

... o' bread an' water."

 

It is a victory. Your arguments have been found to be unfounded

No its actually there for all to see

I had and done so multiple times.

Sadly not. I would much prefer to believe that the Holocaust didn't occur but it did.

Actually I am quite busy but my personal life is really none of your or any other persons business

I did. Three times I've referred you to the national archives at Kew in order to obtain orignial copies of the reports and transcripts.

I never did

Again. Go and obtain a copy from Kew

I am well aware of that. But you were writing about the holocaust.

I never denied it and you only asked me once so you can't have been pressing me for that.

Which is exactly what you're doing

They're not just convictions but established and well known facts. So all of them
Oh and the fact that you are a liar.

I didn't. Your arguments have been found to be flawed.
You have presented no valid evidence that the Holocaust didn't occur and if anything you've helped to prove it.

 

Well you may be telling the sad truth to-day. University campus and the current trend in society is to denounce anyone that challenges the holocaust legacy with hard facts. As far as I can tell from my research the only "gas chambers" in national socialist labour camps during WWII was for the purpose of de-lousing clothing, and never to exterminate humans. There is no one that can prove the existance of the so-called mass killings via gas chambers.

That is not to say that many 1000s did not die in national socialist camps, Poles, Czechs, gypies, gays and jews all died there without doubt. Just no gas chambers!

There were 20 million Russians & 10 million Chinese died in WII these are well established facts, yet we don't see any memorial days to them & we don't have endless propoganda to their suffering. Maybe it is because the people that run Western Media have their own agenda.

 

but saying that ^^^^ we are still free in the UK to say what we think about the holocaust, of course there are these so called "hate crimes" that have been introduced to scare people into not saying anything that goes against the manufactured history. But if you are clever you can still say what you like, you just have to be a little careful how you say it.

I won't be scared off saying what I like & what I have learnt from my research and no amount of Cultural Marxism & Zionist controlled press & brain washing of the young will deter me from stating the facts that the gas chambers in the labour camps were never used to exterminate anyone during WWII.

If someone can provide evidence that gas chambers were actually used to exterminate people then they can post their evidence. The fact they can't & don't speaks volumes.

 

If you're referring to me then all I can say is that my interest lay in proving to Grau and other denialists that the Holocaust occurred and that Nazi Germany did lead a policy of extermination.
The methods were not being debated nor were they relevant to the topic.

However there is plenty of evidence to prove that gas chambers were used.
In fact there are testimonies from former SS men who did witness the atrocities in question.

 

Could you be so kind and name those SS men or at least a couple? Hoess doesn't count!

 

Oscar Groning
Oswald Kaduk
Johann Kremer
Then of course there is Eichamann himself

I don't see why Hoss is invalid as was the camp commandant for Auschwitz

 

You're far from alone in your beliefs that are supported by both common sense & decades of detailed research in the German language.

After at least 50 years of researching 20th century German History, living, studying & working in Germany, learning from WW 1 & WW 2 era German survivors & War Veterans, I've formed views that are very similar to yours.

Even the most casual students of modern European history are aware that Germany lacked the means & raw materials to fight a 3 Front War, maintain production of its war effort, function under Round-the-clock bombardment AND execute the "6 Million Jews" as asserted by a wealthy & overbearing profit driven Holocaust® Industry that has been caught falsifying photos, documents, "Diaries" & props.


You're obviously well educated enough to know about the fallacy inherent throughout WW 1, Allied Propaganda of the demonic & even indelible "Hun" even by looking at the just a few of the very graphic, WW 1 posters & widely viewed public billboards.
“ANTI-GERMAN PROPAGANDA”
http://www.google.com/search?q=anti...X&ved=0ahUKEwiB29KE8oLQAhWJ4yYKHWCrBsQQsAQIHw

The mass impressions made by these hyperbolic, WW 1 anti German images, along with a vehement anti German propaganda related through Zionist dominated media, both, made an indelibly negative impression on the collective Western mind about “Cold Blooded Prussians” & even cannibalistic “Huns”

All of this lingering & fraudulent anti German sentiment made fertile ground for a "Holocaust®" myth to take root in gullible minds well fertilized by decades of anti German Propaganda.


Your additional point is noteworthy:

Contrary to the obsessive pontifications of deluded Holocaustians, I don't believe that the suffering of an individual is any more or less profound than another simply because of their Religion, Nationality or Ethnicity.

Instead of a more relevant memorial to America's Native Americans (aka "Indians"), Americans find themselves funding a "Members Only" Holocaustian Theme Park every year to the amount of over $40 Million per year on priceless land.

Since the only apparent "Lessons of the Holocaust®" seem to be how to slaughter Palestinians insidiously & with impunity, it would seem long past time to crate up the USHMM, ship it to Israel & dump it on the Knesset front steps.


Thanks

 

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You've proved absolutely nothing.

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Yes, they were used simply for delousing purposes. That's all.

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Confessions obtained under torture or drugging are inherently unreliable as any 3rd Grader would know:

“The Holocaust legend is built on "confessions" obtained VIA TORTURE; Jewish interrogators beat, tortured, and crushed the testicles of German defendants at war crimes trials”
http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-...2015/06/the-holocaust-legend-is-built-on.html


Meanwhile, any Mass Execution would have required a widely circulated plan like the Zionist Plan Dalet however, none exists for a German Holocaust®:


“To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”
- Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution&#8221, (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190.============


"What became known in high Nazi circles as the Fuehrer Order on the Final Solution apparently was never committed to paper -- at least no copy of it has yet been unearthed in the captured Nazi documents. " William Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (New York: Fawcett Crest, 1960), p.1256.

 

I'm sorry but the evidence is clear.
I can't change it for you.

No. That's been proven to be false.

Really? So Oscar Groning's statements were made entirely due to coercion?

 

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Only in your mind have my " been found to be unfounded"


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If you were really "... quite busy..." you wouldn't be able to spend so much time posting in this Forum.

You're right, your PERSONAL life is your own business but when you act as if you are an expert on German history, credentials count. You were interested enough in my life & credentials to visit my Personal Page in which I have been very candid about my education, experiences, life in Germany before we began these exchanges.

Since your Personal Page is blank, I can only glean your credentials from your unimpressive & puerile Posts and claim that you "can read German".

Since you are unable to post any credible sources & can only keep saying "Look at Kew" but are unable to cite any excerpts from Kew in any language, I feel that I'm wasting my time with a deeply indoctrinated High School student

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Again, my" ....arguments have been found to be flawed" only in the mind of an indoctrinated, probable High School Student who has never set foot in Germany or spoken, in German, with eyewitness WW 1 & WW 2 era Survivors of all nationalities, German military Veterans & the countless German War Widows

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Your frustration in being repeated debunked is understandable........for an idle High School student.
Mature, educated & secure adults don't need to resort to insults.


“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. “-Socrates

 

You really like repetition don't you?

Well I don't but ok.

Can you prove yours?

I probably saw your profile page some time ago and it wasn't to know your "life" and "credentials"

Which I never asked for nor was it relevant

Is there a point to this?

This doesn't even make sense as a sentence.

The Red Cross isn't credible?

You have no idea as to what Kew is don't you?

Yes well you seem to be full of feelings

Another flawed statement

But you do. You accuse me of being part of a cult and you deliberately misquote my statements.
To call you a liar is simply an observation.

I agree so don't insult me.

As I said before I cannot change the evidence for you and what happened, happened.

By the way its also poor manners to be selective in what you reply to.

 

Hoess... extensive torture = confessions invalid.
Oskar Groening... too old, too long ago, can't remember anything. At 70 years after the facts his statements are irrelevant. The holocaust was already eons ago proven and documented and sealed!

SS-Obersturmführer Johann Paul Kremer, M.D., Ph.D., professor at the University of Münster. There I am not sure yet what to think; must read this article first, but have no time right now:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v02/v02p103_Faurisson.html

 

So his last remoseful confession before being hanged was beaten out of him?

And yet you yourself quoted a General Remer who himself was quite old.

That's arbitrary. I mean with that logic then there should be a limit on how long unsolved crimes are allowed to remain open for investigation.

I'm not timing you. You can respond whenever you find it convenient.

I really wouldn't use IHR because they have been repeatedly found to be less than honest. In fact they had been taken to court for basically being duplicit

 

Those SS men you mention were tortured to into confession. Something most Americans will recognise to-day as they like to torture Muslims into acknowledging crime they did not commit. NAZIs to Muslims Americans are such haters!

 

Yes, you are absolutely right! So, lets protest and get busy speaking our minds!

A quote from below link:

"Thirty-odd years have passed since I was a bookseller on Hollywood Boulevard, but my conviction about the importance of intellectual freedom remains today what it was then. In the 1960s I went to court to uphold the right of students to read radical literary works. I am no less convinced today that students have the right to read every research paper that interests them, on any historical controversy whatever, including every single word ever written about the gas-chamber controversy!

Why should they not?"
Read...
http://inconvenienthistory.com/arch..._3/intellectual_freedom_and_the_holocaust.php
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Has anybody ever gotten an answer WHY we are not allowed to dig for the truth?
And why have people like Ursula and thousands of others gone to jail and/ or pay hefty fines?

 

Yes, I have read that a few years ago.
Of course, the Jews in particular have a good reason to hate the Germans and want revenge. It was unfortunate that the war broke out so soon, before the Jews could be resettled in Palestine and other countries willing to have them.
Why did the Madagascar plan actually fall apart? I strongly believe it was not Hitler's plan to exterminate the European Jews. I simply can't imagine he was that cruel. He was never cruel to anyone. The "final solution" was not extermination, but extradition and resettlement in Russia or Asia. That is where most of them came from, according to Benjamin Freedman.

 

You mean the number of 2 - 3 mil.?
I believe he quoted that exaggerated number as a sign to let the rest of the people know he was tortured. Just like the guy in Guantanamo Bay confessed he had masterminded the whole 9/11 and other terrorist acts elsewhere.
I would like to see and hear you in that same situation!

I don't recall quoting him saying anything about the holocaust. Does your "proof" that the 6mil holocaust happened depend on what some old German men remember having seen or heard?
May I ask, what are the actual indisputable proofs for you and the holocaust authority? ....

O.k., what source should I use?

 

No. He was interviewed after the trial.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Rudolf_Höss

How do you base that hypothesis?

You must have an unusual fetish

Yes. He denied it. My point was that your disregard of Oscar Groning comes from the fact that he was old and speaking well after the events just as General Remer did.

No. It comes from the Red Cross, witness statements of the victims and the perpertrators and archaelogical evidence.

Everything is disputable if you want it to be.
See above.

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/othercamps/auschkremerdiary.html

 

Most of them wern't and even then they made statements post trial which confirmed their activities.
Eichmann was very open about his activities and no he wasn't drugged except during his capture in Argentina

Which they did commit

That's a bit of a bigoted thing to say isn't it?

 

I guess we can close this thread for now as neither side can win the argument.

Here is the witness testimony of a German Wehrmacht officer who was captured by the Russians in the last days of the war in May of 1945. Along with a bunch of other POWs he was brought to the Auschwitz "Extermination" camp.

Since our unbiased Institute is able to read German, he said so himself a few days ago, we have someone to translate the statement of Mr. Heinz Mazakarini, the German officer witness in Auschwitz: