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Nearly 40% of Marines have declined Covid-19 vaccine

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  1. signalmankenneth

    signalmankenneth Well-Known Member

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    The Marine Corps should order them to take it?!! In the military I was in, circa 1960's and 1970's, this would not happen?!! Today's military is soft, compared to the Vietnam era military!

    Washington (CNN) Nearly 40% of US Marines are declining Covid-19 vaccinations, according to data provided to CNN on Friday by the service, the first branch to disclose service-wide numbers on acceptance and declination.

    As of Thursday, approximately 75,500 Marines have received vaccines, including fully vaccinated and partially vaccinated service men and women. About 48,000 Marines have chosen not to receive vaccines, for a declination rate of 38.9%.

    CNN has reached out to the other services for acceptance and declination rates.

    The corresponding acceptance rate for vaccinations among Marines -- 61.1% -- is not far off the military estimate of two-thirds, or about 66%.

    Another 102,000 Marines have not yet been offered the vaccines. The total number of Marines includes active-duty, reserves and Individual Mobilization Augmentee Marines.

    The declination rate at Camp Lejeune in North Carolina, one of the prominent Marine Corps bases, was far higher, at 57%, according to another set of data provided to CNN. Of 26,400 Marines who have been offered vaccinations, 15,100 have chosen not to receive them, a number that includes both II Marine Expeditionary Force and Marine Corps Installation East -- Camp Lejeune. Another 11,500 active-duty Marines are scheduled to be offered the vaccines.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/09/polit...nes/index.html

    What would Gunny say?

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    Take the damn vaccine maggot!
     
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    It would be criminal if the military mandates the vaccine!
     
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    GrayMan Well-Known Member

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    Do you work for pfeitzer, and want even more money or something? Why are you so against personal choice? There isn't even enough evidence that it you won't be a carrier with the vaccine.
     
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    The mark of the beast, no one can buy sell or trade without it.
    These enemies of freedom also clamor for the end of cash, for the same reasons.
     
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    GrayMan Well-Known Member

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    What does 'soft' have to do with vaccinations? It's the scared masses that are rushing to get this. It's those same people who panic when someone comes within six feet or does not wear a mask 'properly'.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    It's not FDA approved yet so the DoD can't mandate they take it. Trust me, the second it becomes FDA approved it will be mandatory across all branches. We've been briefed that by our docs on an annoyingly consistent basis sever since the vaccine came out.

    Don't worry we'll all be vaccinated in due time the world will survive until then I promise.
     
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    Weird too. my nephew in law is Airforce and they have been told if they test positive for COVID they can't re-enlist :wierdface:

    Their reasoning is they don't know what long term effects will be ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    What do you expect, they're called Jar Heads?
     
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    Of course, They're too tough to get it. Like thousands of bikers who went to Sturgis.
     
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    When you enlist, you forgo some personal choices, for example wearing long hair. Anything that interferes with combat readiness. I would imagine that covid outbreaks in the military would interfere with combat readiness. Therefore, I have no idea why vaccination hasn't been mandated for the troops yet.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Or they are normal people just like everybody else who have their own personal opinions about a non FDA emergency vaccine of which the long term effects aren't fully understood because it hasn't been out long enough yet.

    You have to think of the demographic here as well....Today is Saturday, as we speak most of these people are likely completely hammered drunk on gallons of booze and stuffing their faces with chicken wings and pizza playing video games or something. They probably did that last night too and just woke up and started doing it again. These are mostly college aged young people who are relatively healthy....they aren't too worried about COVID or their health. It ain't gonna kill them.
     
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    Well the military has a long and proud history of using it's soldiers as disposable guinea pigs. Why break the tradition. Hell now the pharmaceuticals are using the entire world's population as their guinea pigs. We will know the long term effects of the vaccine (if any) in about a decade.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgewood_Arsenal_human_experiments
    https://www.livescience.com/12991-10-outrageous-military-experiments.html
     
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  13. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    It's not FDA approved. Even with the whole mantra that the military "owns you" good luck if they made that vaccine mandatory and then in a few months something was found to be "wrong" with it and the government made the entire DoD take it.

    This is 2021 that wouldn't fly anymore. Military leaders aren't even "encouraging" troops to take it right now, they are simply telling us it's available if you want it and thats about it. NOBODY wants to be the brass who pressured their troops to take this thing and then later find out something was up with it. In every briefing we get they are pretty careful with their wording about how they discuss this vaccine to make sure nothing can be misconstrued to be seen as "pressure" to take it.

    Once the FDA label gets put on it then it'll be mandatory immediately.
     
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    Well, looks like active duty military members are already required to get the flu shot:

    https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodi/620502p.pdf?ver=2019-07-23-085404-617

    "c. All Active Duty and Selected Reserve (including National Guard) personnel are required to receive the annual seasonal influenza immunization or obtain an exemption (i.e., medical or administrative), with a goal of 90 percent immunized by January 15th of each year. During an outbreak, pandemic influenza immunizations will be required or recommended as appropriate, depending on the immunization’s regulatory status at the time of the outbreak."

    So, why is the flu shot mandatory, but not the covid vaccine? Do active duty members complain about "freedom" when they have to get the annual flu shot?
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I already explained it, the flu shot is FDA approved, no version of the COVID vaccine is FDA approved yet, when it becomes FDA approved it will be made mandatory. Who said anybody was complaining in the military about it? Some are just choosing not to take it that's all. The only complaining I see are from civilians complaining that the military isn't making troops take it...

    The military doesn't just inject it's members with experimental stuff anymore, this is 2021 not the 50s. When it passes the required criteria to be labeled safe by the FDA then it will be made mandatory in the military...
     
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    The left loves control. Obey or be crushed. They are already scrubbing the internet of conservative speech. Soon they will rollout the vaccine passports, and ban the production and sale of firearms. Who knows what they have in store for us in the future.
    Shut up, be happy. Do not attempt to think or depression may occur.

     
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    Yes, but maybe it is because they haven't tested the long term effects of the mRNA vaccines. This was an emergency release. It also, is not that common for the younger age groups to be incapacitated by this disease. We mostly send children with their whole lives ahead of them to die in unnecessary wars, not the older adults.

    Flu vaccines have more history in how they are developed even though the flu bug itself can different with each season.
     
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    When I was in the DRAFTED military you weren't given any choice whether you wanted a shot or not. They lined you up and shots were given to everyone.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Yup, they still do that in the all voluntary military today when it comes to FDA approved vaccines.

    I would think that society would be happy that the government no longer injects experimental drugs into members of the military.....Based on many of the comments in this thread I'm finding it pretty horrifying that many in the general public are upset that we DON'T do that anymore....
     
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    FDA approved vaccines are no different than experimental drugs.
     
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    a new strain from China or the deep state could target college aged or younger Americans.

    these recent strains were engineered to target older Americans.
     
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    CNN: Marines say no to COVID-19 vaccine.
    U.S. Marines think the process was too rushed.

    Some Authoritarian Ashoe Democrat lawmakers are pushing Joe Biden to force vaccinations for service members. That’s the way these authoritarian asshats roll.
    Well, Well, Well! Isn't their concern about disinformation and skepticism richt?
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    Soon!​
     
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    Disinformation and vaccine skepticism huh?

    If that's how these politicians feel then why is their "concern" not directed towards the FDA? If according to them nobody should have a problem with the vaccine and their concerns are misguided and fed by disinformation then why doesn't the FEDERAL Food and Drug Administration hurry up and approve it? What's taking so long? Why wasn't this FDA approved last month? Oh wait a minute that's right there is a process required for a vaccine to become FDA approved that none of these vaccines have completed yet.

    How dare these military people have the audacity to make a personal choice regarding their personal health. I can't believe our stupid country is giving these individual American human beings the ability to decide whether or not they want to inject something into their own bodies for once.

    Oh and for everyone who wants to pretend that they're concerned about the wellbeing of the military from a readiness and defense standpoint and not simply mad that unvaccinated people are allowed to share society with you....here's a secret. The military has operated at about 90% "normal" since about 2 weeks after this outbreak hit the US last spring. The only thing they do differently is wear masks at work. All that social distancing and minimal staffing stuff is a lie they told civilians to keep them from fussing and make people think they were listening to the CDC.

    And guess what.....we're still alive and the force is fine. So you can stop pretending that you're concerned about the readiness level of the military and whole units getting knocked out by this virus and crippling our defenses and combat effectiveness or whatever. Feel free to now openly admit that you're just upset that these people are allowed to not get the vaccine right now and are still allowed to live next door to you in society off base. You can't control your civilian neighbors which personally upsets you so you at least want to be able to control those who are normally under total control and you're mad because you can't even do that either.
     
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    Buy land and gold. It's what I tell my kids regularly, and more often since COVID.
     
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    EXACTLY! They don't have enough information yet, for FDA approval. And these companies are only making the vaccine because Congress gave them immunity from vaccine injury and death claims.

    Less than 1800 people died WITH (not OF) COVID in this age group, in the entire country, throughout the entire pandemic. Since vaccinations began 5 months ago, 10 deaths in this age group have been reported to the CDC's Vaccine Injury website. Now to be sure, 2/3rds of the 2210 Vaccine Deaths since mass vaccination have been in the 65+ Cohort, with this age group less than a 0.45% of the vaccine deaths, but this group's COVID death rate share is only 0.35% or 22% lower, both amounts are effectively zero. I can see the case for waiting for FDA approval and a better understanding of the side effects if you are a member of this demographic and likely in superior health.

    https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=1900C7677B28283F2323B04F0F3D

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

    https://www.heritage.org/data-visualizations/public-health/covid-19-deaths-by-age/

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
    But they are all for gender reassignment surgery that takes person out of combat readiness for more than a year.
    They do seem to have anger and control issues.

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